https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ Copyright (c) 2006-2013 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Tue, 05 May 2026 16:27:32 +0000 Fri, 24 Apr 2009 18:40:30 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 12.07 360 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=3770 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum//images/Top-40-Music-on-CD-Forum-Logo.png https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3770&PID=22046&title=misunderstanding-genesis#22046 Author: crapfromthepast
Subject: 3770
Posted: 24 April 2009 at 6:40pm

More details in case you want to try this at home:

LP version from my Duke CD: printed time 3:11, actual time 3:12, actual tempo 80.8 BPM throughout (*)

Single version from Atlantic 3662 (commercially available) 45: printed time 3:04, actual time 3:08 or 3:09, actual tempo 82.4 BPM throughout (*)

So if you want to create the single, speed up the LP version by exactly 2.0%. The mix and fade points are identical in both versions.

(*) When Genesis was making a lot of their early '80s records, the track would start off with Phil Collins programming a drum machine, to get a good feel for the tempo. The rest of the instruments were added over the drum machine, and Phil would record his drums last, replacing the drum machine. Neat technique. An artifact of this technique is that the BPM is perfectly constant throughout the song, so my BPM numbers above are actually meaningful, and don't have the usual human drift that comes from not using a metronome or click track.]]> Fri, 24 Apr 2009 18:40:30 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3770&PID=22046&title=misunderstanding-genesis#22046 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3770&PID=19696&title=misunderstanding-genesis#19696 Author: edtop40
Subject: 3770
Posted: 11 November 2008 at 10:26am

john just sent me a sped up version and it matches my vinyl 45 perfectly....thanks john!!!]]> Tue, 11 Nov 2008 10:26:46 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3770&PID=19696&title=misunderstanding-genesis#19696 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3770&PID=19693&title=misunderstanding-genesis#19693 Author: edtop40
Subject: 3770
Posted: 11 November 2008 at 8:51am

my commercial 45 issued as atlantic 3662 states a run time on the label as 3:04 but actully runs 3:08 and is slightly sped up versus the version on the "hits" cd (approximately 0:04 difference)....









]]> Tue, 11 Nov 2008 08:51:06 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3770&PID=19693&title=misunderstanding-genesis#19693 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3770&PID=17252&title=misunderstanding-genesis#17252 Author: Todd Ireland
Subject: 3770
Posted: 28 June 2008 at 8:41am

I have a feeling you may be right, RichM921. I've always thought "Misunderstanding" on Genesis' Duke CD sounded slower than how I've heard it on the radio.]]> Sat, 28 Jun 2008 08:41:57 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3770&PID=17252&title=misunderstanding-genesis#17252 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3770&PID=17251&title=misunderstanding-genesis#17251 Author: RichM921
Subject: 3770
Posted: 28 June 2008 at 8:14am

I've always had a hunch that the single is slightly faster than the LP version. This is because the version of the song on one of the K-Tel albums (I think it's "Full Tilt") is sped up from the what's on the "Duke" album. Could it be that the original 45 version is sped up too?]]> Sat, 28 Jun 2008 08:14:53 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3770&PID=17251&title=misunderstanding-genesis#17251 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3770&PID=17221&title=misunderstanding-genesis#17221 Author: Todd Ireland
Subject: 3770
Posted: 27 June 2008 at 9:12am

Good question, John. I presently don't have a copy of the vinyl 45 to check against, but I'll be more than happy to report back with the results as soon as I do.]]> Fri, 27 Jun 2008 09:12:23 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3770&PID=17221&title=misunderstanding-genesis#17221 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3770&PID=17215&title=misunderstanding-genesis#17215 Author: eriejwg
Subject: 3770
Posted: 27 June 2008 at 8:56am

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Edited by eriejwg]]> Fri, 27 Jun 2008 08:56:41 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3770&PID=17215&title=misunderstanding-genesis#17215 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3770&PID=17214&title=misunderstanding-genesis#17214 Author: eriejwg
Subject: 3770
Posted: 27 June 2008 at 8:46am

Appreciate the detailed info from you and Jim, Todd. Is there a way of indicating whether the time discrepancy on this and your other 1980 songs is due to speed/early fades?]]> Fri, 27 Jun 2008 08:46:46 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3770&PID=17214&title=misunderstanding-genesis#17214 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3770&PID=17199&title=misunderstanding-genesis#17199 Author: Todd Ireland
Subject: 3770
Posted: 26 June 2008 at 10:53pm

The actual commercial 45 run time for Genesis' "Misunderstanding" is 3:08, not 3:04 as stated on the record label. (This info comes courtesy of Jim a.k.a. "jimct".) Currently, all of the song's CDs in the database run 3:10 to 3:12. Therefore, I'm wondering if the LP length runs slightly longer than the 45. Does anyone have Genesis' vinyl LP Duke from 1980 on Atlantic who can pass along the run time for "Misunderstanding"?
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