https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ Copyright (c) 2006-2013 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Fri, 10 Apr 2026 23:10:45 +0000 Sun, 18 Sep 2005 07:23:49 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 12.07 360 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=386 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum//images/Top-40-Music-on-CD-Forum-Logo.png https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=386&PID=2020&title=stereo-45-version-vs-stereo-remix#2020 Author: BillCahill
Subject: 386
Posted: 18 September 2005 at 7:23am

This has probably been brought up before but the versions of Do You Love Me by the Contours, Since I Lost My Baby by the Temptations, and Shop Around by the Miracles are resynched stereo on that box which to me sounds bad and shouldn't be listed as a stereo version of the origninal hit. What the producers did since they didn't have the original vocal track in the clear was attempt to synch the original mono version with a stereo backing track that they found. This has been done on A Whiter Shade of Pale, I Only Wanna Be With You, He's So Fine, and other oldies where background sessions were found but the vocal sessions were missing. I feel this is a dubious practice and mixes poorly to mono. Plus you end up with phasing and other nasty artifacts since you can never get it exactly right. You end up doubling instruments which in itself changes the recording so it shouldn't be noted as the original. I think a notation for synchronized stereo is in order. That's my opinion anyway. ]]> Sun, 18 Sep 2005 07:23:49 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=386&PID=2020&title=stereo-45-version-vs-stereo-remix#2020 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=386&PID=1924&title=stereo-45-version-vs-stereo-remix#1924 Author: Todd Ireland
Subject: 386
Posted: 02 September 2005 at 9:20am

Thanks for clearing this up, Pat. Again, since most commercial 45s were pressed in mono back in the '60s, I wasn't sure if any stereo mix of these singles could technically be considered a remix, especially in the case of Motown recordings where new stereo mixes are produced with regularity. Your policy makes sense.

Edited by Todd Ireland]]> Fri, 02 Sep 2005 09:20:55 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=386&PID=1924&title=stereo-45-version-vs-stereo-remix#1924 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=386&PID=1915&title=stereo-45-version-vs-stereo-remix#1915 Author: EdisonLite
Subject: 386
Posted: 01 September 2005 at 1:40pm

Thanks for clarifying that. And I agree -- I feel that should be considered the 45 version, too.]]> Thu, 01 Sep 2005 13:40:49 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=386&PID=1915&title=stereo-45-version-vs-stereo-remix#1915 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=386&PID=1914&title=stereo-45-version-vs-stereo-remix#1914 Author: Pat Downey
Subject: 386
Posted: 01 September 2005 at 10:28am

Yes, I would consider your example to be a 45 version.]]> Thu, 01 Sep 2005 10:28:21 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=386&PID=1914&title=stereo-45-version-vs-stereo-remix#1914 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=386&PID=1913&title=stereo-45-version-vs-stereo-remix#1913 Author: EdisonLite
Subject: 386
Posted: 01 September 2005 at 8:45am

Pat, in your Four Tops examples, you had previously released stereo versions (on the original LPs) to compare them to. What about mono 45s that never had an LP release or any form of a stereo mix from back in the day (but may exist in the vaults) -- if there are no obvious differences between a stereo CD version and the mono 45, like extra background vocals or lack of reverb, could that still be considered the 45 version, by your definition?]]> Thu, 01 Sep 2005 08:45:57 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=386&PID=1913&title=stereo-45-version-vs-stereo-remix#1913 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=386&PID=1912&title=stereo-45-version-vs-stereo-remix#1912 Author: Moderator
Subject: 386
Posted: 01 September 2005 at 6:40am

Todd, in the introduction to my book I define a remix as "either the instrumentation or vocals have been tampered with resulting in a sound that differs slightly from the original version". In the context of the Motown Box let me offer specific examples. Take the Four Tops "It's The Same Old Song" - the mix on this box narrows the stereo, removes the reverb that was formerly on the drums and brings the drums out much louder. This is a noticeable difference between the stereo mix that appeared on the Four Tops 2nd album and also the mono 45. In the case of the Four Tops "I Can't Help Myself" new background vocals were introduced (check out :58 to 1:04) that again were not present on either the orginal stereo mix or the 45. I also use the term remixed to denote that extra instrumentation has been added as is the case with the song "Ain't Too Proud To Beg" by the Temptations. So to answer your question, I go back to my original definition which covers both changes in instrumentation, addition of vocals or basic changes in the mix such as removal of reverb.

As for the Contours "Do You Love Me", that song had previously been mixed to stereo but with an alternate vocal take so the mix on this box set in my opinion can be best described as "first time stereo mix of the hit version". ]]> Thu, 01 Sep 2005 06:40:19 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=386&PID=1912&title=stereo-45-version-vs-stereo-remix#1912 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=386&PID=1895&title=stereo-45-version-vs-stereo-remix#1895 Author: Todd Ireland
Subject: 386
Posted: 31 August 2005 at 7:44am

Pat:

I was reading over your recent review of The Motown Box set (Motown B0004999) and it left me wondering something I've never really been completely clear about. I know most, if not all, of the Motown commercial 45s released during the '60s were pressed in mono. So how do you determine when a stereo remix of a mono 45 can still be considered the "45 version" or "hit version", and when it should be classified as a "remix"? For example, on The Motown Box you list the Contours' "Do You Love Me" with the comment: (first time stereo mix of the hit version), but many of the other songs on the box set are simply listed as: (remixed). Does the "remixed" comment in these cases indicate different instrumentation is used or added, or does it simply denote a very different mix of the original vocals and instruments? I'm interested in knowing your policy on this so I can better discern the difference between a stereo 45 version and a stereo remix.]]> Wed, 31 Aug 2005 07:44:15 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=386&PID=1895&title=stereo-45-version-vs-stereo-remix#1895