https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ Copyright (c) 2006-2013 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Thu, 07 May 2026 06:08:05 +0000 Mon, 13 Nov 2017 17:06:01 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 12.07 360 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=3951 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum//images/Top-40-Music-on-CD-Forum-Logo.png https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3951&PID=48579&title=beatlespenny-lane#48579 Author: anthology123
Subject: 3951
Posted: 13 November 2017 at 5:06pm

I have not listened to it in a while, but I bought Rarities the month it first came
out, living in LA at the time. I also have the infamous boot of the Penny Lane
Promo 45, which I bought at Beatlefest '79. My take is the same as Brian, I can
hear a difference in the fidelity of the trumpet between the ending and the
solo, there is a certain tinniness and bit of distortion on the end trumpet, that
is not present in the solo.]]> Mon, 13 Nov 2017 17:06:01 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3951&PID=48579&title=beatlespenny-lane#48579 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3951&PID=48577&title=beatlespenny-lane#48577 Author: aaronk
Subject: 3951
Posted: 13 November 2017 at 4:17pm

If it is spliced on (and it probably is, as they specifically say so on the
back cover) I agree that they did a nice job. As far as I'm concerned,
this doesn't even come close to being what I'd call a bad sounding
splice in the era of tape-and-razor-blade editing. ]]> Mon, 13 Nov 2017 16:17:25 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3951&PID=48577&title=beatlespenny-lane#48577 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3951&PID=48576&title=beatlespenny-lane#48576 Author: Brian W.
Subject: 3951
Posted: 13 November 2017 at 3:30pm

I think I can hear the tape splice... there's this little "thud" right before the trumpet starts. And that was my thought, too... that the trumpet doesn't sound quite as clear as it does before that point. I'm not sure what to think... they did a very good job if it is spliced in.]]> Mon, 13 Nov 2017 15:30:22 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3951&PID=48576&title=beatlespenny-lane#48576 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3951&PID=48572&title=beatlespenny-lane#48572 Author: aaronk
Subject: 3951
Posted: 13 November 2017 at 1:13pm

Huh, I just don't hear it on my system. This is a dub of the last 20 seconds from a Rarities LP I recently obtained:

Penny Lane Rarities ending

Edited by aaronk]]> Mon, 13 Nov 2017 13:13:48 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3951&PID=48572&title=beatlespenny-lane#48572 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3951&PID=48571&title=beatlespenny-lane#48571 Author: anthology123
Subject: 3951
Posted: 13 November 2017 at 11:59am

Sorry, but I have to agree, I can hear the splice at the end that tacks the
trumpet ending onto the stereo mix on the Rarities LP. The fidelity of the
trumpet ending just is not as sharp as the rest of the song.]]> Mon, 13 Nov 2017 11:59:51 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3951&PID=48571&title=beatlespenny-lane#48571 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3951&PID=48484&title=beatlespenny-lane#48484 Author: KentT
Subject: 3951
Posted: 29 October 2017 at 6:19pm

The Rarities LP is a composite. Listen to the LP on a good
system, a trained ear can hear this transition. ]]> Sun, 29 Oct 2017 18:19:58 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3951&PID=48484&title=beatlespenny-lane#48484 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3951&PID=48234&title=beatlespenny-lane#48234 Author: aaronk
Subject: 3951
Posted: 29 September 2017 at 6:12am

I just found my file, and it's a direct dub from the Rarities LP from start to finish. The ending doesn't sound "tacked on" to me, despite Capital's claim on the back cover of the LP, and I didn't notice any major reverb differences in the trumpet. If they did tack on the ending, it must have been remixed from the multi-tracks. The ending is in true stereo and quality-wise it matches the rest of the track.

Edited by aaronk]]> Fri, 29 Sep 2017 06:12:36 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3951&PID=48234&title=beatlespenny-lane#48234 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3951&PID=48233&title=beatlespenny-lane#48233 Author: aaronk
Subject: 3951
Posted: 29 September 2017 at 5:14am

That's very interesting, John. I'll have to see if I still have the supposed
Rarities file that someone sent me years ago. I say "supposed"
because I'm wondering if it was doctored/fixed up/smoothed out prior to
it being sent to me. ]]> Fri, 29 Sep 2017 05:14:12 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3951&PID=48233&title=beatlespenny-lane#48233 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3951&PID=48231&title=beatlespenny-lane#48231 Author: Yah Shure
Subject: 3951
Posted: 28 September 2017 at 10:35pm

The Rarities LP trumpet ending doesn't sound seamless to me at all. That edit point really jumped out when I bought the LP in 1980. It sounds like a tape cut was made on the diagonal.

Nowhere on the back cover does it state that the ending was sourced from a vinyl promo 45:

... Capitol has taken a stereo version of the song and tagged on the rare final notes, which collectors might argue..."

As a matter of fact, we are! The piccolo trumpet in the left channel leading up to the ending on the LP is dry, with no reverb. On the Remix 11 promo 45, the piccolo trumpet has very noticeable reverb during that same portion, continuing on through the ending.

On the Rarities LP track, the left channel piccolo trumpet switches from dry to wet after the edit point. To me, the "tagged on" part sounds like it underwent some stereo reprocessing to keep the trumpet on the left.

One thing's for sure: the tagged-on Rarities ending sounds a lot cleaner than what ended up on the SPLHCB SDE boxed set. That begs the question: did Capitol still have its 1967 copy of the RM 11 tape when they assembled the Rarities LP in 1980? And if so, whatever happened to it?

Endings aside, there's one other notable difference between the US promo 45 (Remix 11) and the Capitol stock 45 (Remix 14), which is evident from the very start: the promo 45 begins with a very brief bass guitar note before the vocals come in less than a second later. The stock 45 opens with the vocals, trimming off the brief bass note.

The stereo Rarities LP track, like the promo 45, also begins with that very brief bass note before the vocals start. The fake stereo track from the original vinyl Capitol US Magical Mystery Tour LP begins with the vocals, just like the stock 45. ]]> Thu, 28 Sep 2017 22:35:46 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3951&PID=48231&title=beatlespenny-lane#48231 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3951&PID=48230&title=beatlespenny-lane#48230 Author: aaronk
Subject: 3951
Posted: 28 September 2017 at 10:35pm

I haven't ever done an A-B of the Rarities version, no, but I'd be
interested in finding out if it matches the standard stereo mix until the
ending. ]]> Thu, 28 Sep 2017 22:35:33 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3951&PID=48230&title=beatlespenny-lane#48230