https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ Copyright (c) 2006-2013 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Wed, 29 Apr 2026 14:02:39 +0000 Thu, 15 Jan 2026 13:13:00 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 12.07 360 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=4038 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum//images/Top-40-Music-on-CD-Forum-Logo.png https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4038&PID=67680&title=santana-hold-on#67680 Author: NightAire
Subject: 4038
Posted: 15 January 2026 at 1:13pm

OK, listening again to the 45 version vs. LP version, I am wrong. My guess is the video I originally checked was just an early fade, because there's edits as early as the intro before the lyrics kick in.]]> Thu, 15 Jan 2026 13:13:00 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4038&PID=67680&title=santana-hold-on#67680 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4038&PID=67679&title=santana-hold-on#67679 Author: AndrewChouffi
Subject: 4038
Posted: 14 January 2026 at 11:18am

It's a team effort!

Andy]]> Wed, 14 Jan 2026 11:18:03 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4038&PID=67679&title=santana-hold-on#67679 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4038&PID=67678&title=santana-hold-on#67678 Author: crapfromthepast
Subject: 4038
Posted: 14 January 2026 at 8:12am

Andy - I was responsible for originally labeling Hits Of 1982 as being the LP version. Up until yesterday, I didn't know that there was a second mix in circulation. I wouldn't have noticed at all, but for your post!]]> Wed, 14 Jan 2026 08:12:55 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4038&PID=67678&title=santana-hold-on#67678 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4038&PID=67677&title=santana-hold-on#67677 Author: AndrewChouffi
Subject: 4038
Posted: 14 January 2026 at 7:14am

To Ron: Thank you for the detailed distillation!

To Aaron: I did not mean to infer that I had a vinyl 'Shango' LP with the dry mix. I should have written something like "alternate mix structured like the LP version". As a matter of fact even my promo 12" AS 1513 has the murky reverb LP version. I think I got even more thrown off as in the "Archive" I had a version from 'Hits Of 1982' labelled "LP version" that was the dry vocals mix.

Andy]]> Wed, 14 Jan 2026 07:14:09 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4038&PID=67677&title=santana-hold-on#67677 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4038&PID=67676&title=santana-hold-on#67676 Author: NightAire
Subject: 4038
Posted: 14 January 2026 at 1:51am

Thanks for the updates, guys! It sounds like I was (in a very narrow sense) correct that the original LP (CD) length version could be edited to the single length... but clearly there's the alternate remix floating around that would not match the single or original LP.]]> Wed, 14 Jan 2026 01:51:47 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4038&PID=67676&title=santana-hold-on#67676 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4038&PID=67674&title=santana-hold-on#67674 Author: aaronk
Subject: 4038
Posted: 13 January 2026 at 10:49pm

Thanks, Ron! I see you made some updates to the database. I made additional updates to change the 1998 remix from "LP version" to "neither single nor LP version."

For the time being, I'll assume the 2007 re-release of Best Of has the same 1998 remix. I only have the 1998 pressing.]]> Tue, 13 Jan 2026 22:49:59 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4038&PID=67674&title=santana-hold-on#67674 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4038&PID=67670&title=santana-hold-on#67670 Author: crapfromthepast
Subject: 4038
Posted: 13 January 2026 at 4:04pm

There was only one hit mix of "Hold On" in 1982, and it's the mix that was on the 45.

On the LP version on CBS's Shango CD (released 1983 on CD in US), the drum fill starting at 1:38 (on the end of the word "do") is centered in the soundstage, the guitar solo from 1:41-1:56 is very much in stereo, and the fade runs from 4:10 to about 4:20 or 4:21. The same version (different analog transfer) is on TM Studios Goldwav track no. 00012805.

The 45 can be edited from the version on Shango. I think it's one edit on the intro and an early fade. The 45 edit is on Sony TV/Columbia's non-US release Ultimate Collection (2000), which sounds terrific.

All of the above have an excellent dynamic range.

There's a 2013 28-track collection on Qobuz called The Essential Santana. The graphics don't quite look like the Essential series from the early '00s, and I'm not sure if it's just a trimmed version of the 33-track Essential from 2002. The version on the 2013 The Essential Santana is the original mix, but extending way beyond the 45 fade by about 43 seconds. It's mastered too loud and clips quite a bit.

There's a new mix of "Hold On" on Columbia/Legacy's The Best Of Santana (1998). I don't know exactly where this mix originated, but it was from 1998 or earlier. In this new mix, the drum fill starting at 1:38 is panned to the right, the guitar solo from 1:40 to 1:55 is in mono, and the fade runs from 3:52 to 4:21. The new mix was originally mastered too loud, so that it clips quite a bit. The same analog transfer is used on:

• Sony's cheapie multi-artist Hits Of 1982 (1999)
• Sony's budget multi-disc multi-artist Rockin' 80s (2004)


Edited by crapfromthepast - 14 January 2026 at 5:53am]]> Tue, 13 Jan 2026 16:04:10 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4038&PID=67670&title=santana-hold-on#67670 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4038&PID=67667&title=santana-hold-on#67667 Author: aaronk
Subject: 4038
Posted: 13 January 2026 at 8:56am

Andy, to be sure I understand you correctly: Some vinyl LPs have the dry vocal mix while other pressings have the reverb like the single. If so, does that explain where the "single version but :43 longer" originates from? I'll need to update the database if this is the case.]]> Tue, 13 Jan 2026 08:56:52 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4038&PID=67667&title=santana-hold-on#67667 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4038&PID=67666&title=santana-hold-on#67666 Author: AndrewChouffi
Subject: 4038
Posted: 13 January 2026 at 4:56am

To Gene:

There are two different mixes of the LP version.

One mix has Alex Ligertwood's lead vocals mixed quite dryly.

The other mix (single mix) has quite a bit of murky reverb on his vox.

Andy]]> Tue, 13 Jan 2026 04:56:15 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4038&PID=67666&title=santana-hold-on#67666 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4038&PID=67665&title=santana-hold-on#67665 Author: NightAire
Subject: 4038
Posted: 13 January 2026 at 12:25am

An additional note for anybody looking to re-create the commercial single: the 7" doesn't sound to me like a dedicated mix, just an early fade of the LP version.]]> Tue, 13 Jan 2026 00:25:00 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4038&PID=67665&title=santana-hold-on#67665