https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ Copyright (c) 2006-2013 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Sat, 18 Apr 2026 06:51:56 +0000 Sat, 17 Aug 2019 10:23:08 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 12.07 360 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=41 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum//images/Top-40-Music-on-CD-Forum-Logo.png https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=41&PID=52360&title=dire-straitsmoney-for-nothing#52360 Author: aaronk
Subject: 41
Posted: 17 August 2019 at 10:23am

Thanks for passing along the info on that one!]]> Sat, 17 Aug 2019 10:23:08 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=41&PID=52360&title=dire-straitsmoney-for-nothing#52360 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=41&PID=52359&title=dire-straitsmoney-for-nothing#52359 Author: thecdguy
Subject: 41
Posted: 17 August 2019 at 9:58am

That's probably true about an in-house edit for the
song, that's what I thought at first as well.

This is the Import CD I was referring to. I got it from
Discogs a few years ago.

https://www.discogs.com/Various-High-Life-15-
Affenschrille-Hitbananen/release/2232653

Not sure, but I think it may also contain the Single
Versions of Kool & The Gang's "Emergency" and Double's
"The Captain Of Her Heart", as the running times seem to
match up. (The running time listed for the Double song
is 4:35, but on the disc it runs 4:01). ]]> Sat, 17 Aug 2019 09:58:40 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=41&PID=52359&title=dire-straitsmoney-for-nothing#52359 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=41&PID=52358&title=dire-straitsmoney-for-nothing#52358 Author: aaronk
Subject: 41
Posted: 17 August 2019 at 9:44am

If AOR stations play the full album version but censored, it's most certainly an in-house edit. I'm not aware of any versions that have the second verse left in but with censoring on the lyrics.

Which import CD did you find with the vinyl LP version?]]> Sat, 17 Aug 2019 09:44:30 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=41&PID=52358&title=dire-straitsmoney-for-nothing#52358 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=41&PID=52357&title=dire-straitsmoney-for-nothing#52357 Author: thecdguy
Subject: 41
Posted: 17 August 2019 at 9:37am

I have an Import CD with a version of "Money For Nothing"
that runs about (7:05), and the music seems to fade out
at about 3 seconds earlier. I listened for the edit at
5:23 that was described earlier and it seems to be there.
So it's possible this may be the only CD appearance of
the vinyl album version. (Although if so, it may need to
be sped up to match the exact time of 7:00 exactly). ]]> Sat, 17 Aug 2019 09:37:53 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=41&PID=52357&title=dire-straitsmoney-for-nothing#52357 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=41&PID=52356&title=dire-straitsmoney-for-nothing#52356 Author: thecdguy
Subject: 41
Posted: 17 August 2019 at 9:25am

I'm pretty sure I've heard "Money For Nothing" on some
AOR stations with the sound effect of the word being
played backwards, so a version like that could exist
somewhere. I do know that I've never heard the word
bleeped out, though. ]]> Sat, 17 Aug 2019 09:25:06 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=41&PID=52356&title=dire-straitsmoney-for-nothing#52356 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=41&PID=51162&title=dire-straitsmoney-for-nothing#51162 Author: aaronk
Subject: 41
Posted: 01 February 2019 at 6:49am

No bleeped versions--just the Short Edit. Would there really be a point of bleeping it? The included verse only has four lines, and three of the four lines include the word in question.]]> Fri, 01 Feb 2019 06:49:15 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=41&PID=51162&title=dire-straitsmoney-for-nothing#51162 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=41&PID=51161&title=dire-straitsmoney-for-nothing#51161 Author: PopArchivist
Subject: 41
Posted: 01 February 2019 at 12:26am

On a side note (and just wondering) is there a "clean version" of the 45 version (the long edit) that runs 4:38 that bleeps out the inappropriate f word (not that f word lol...)

I am quite aware of the radio edit. I just happen to like the 4:38 and wanted to know as with new songs if they ever bleeped the words on this one.

]]> Fri, 01 Feb 2019 00:26:55 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=41&PID=51161&title=dire-straitsmoney-for-nothing#51161 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=41&PID=42442&title=dire-straitsmoney-for-nothing#42442 Author: Pat Downey
Subject: 41
Posted: 20 October 2014 at 6:50pm

Yes my vinyl US pressing of So Far Away on the Brothers In Arms LP runs (3:58).]]> Mon, 20 Oct 2014 18:50:15 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=41&PID=42442&title=dire-straitsmoney-for-nothing#42442 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=41&PID=42440&title=dire-straitsmoney-for-nothing#42440 Author: Hykker
Subject: 41
Posted: 20 October 2014 at 5:39pm

The 5:06 version of "So Far Away" also appeared on one side
of the promo 12" single, marked "extended version".
]]> Mon, 20 Oct 2014 17:39:15 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=41&PID=42440&title=dire-straitsmoney-for-nothing#42440 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=41&PID=42439&title=dire-straitsmoney-for-nothing#42439 Author: 80smusicfreak
Subject: 41
Posted: 20 October 2014 at 3:45pm

aaronk wrote: Paging 80smusicfreak! As someone with an extensive collection of cassettes, can you please let me know if I'm remembering this correctly or not. I bought the cassette of Brothers In Arms when it first came out (or at least my parents did for me). I believe that the cassette had the full 8+ minute version on it, and therefore this was not a "neither" version released in the CD era.

Good memory, aaronk - you are correct. :-) In fact, I, too, ran out and bought Brothers in Arms on cassette in the Summer of '85, within a couple months of its release - and yes, I still have the cassette to this day. (Let's face it, "Money for Nothing" was catchy as heck, and the video was certainly fun & unique at the time, too, as there was no escaping it on MTV!) I'm glad you brought this to my attention, because not only does the on-line database need updating for this song, but "So Far Away" (another top 40 hit from the album) apparently does as well...

Furthermore, I'm guessing that the album was probably originally released on CD along with the cassette and vinyl LP.

Yes, you're correct there, too...

So for those who may not remember, here's the full story on Brothers in Arms across all three formats (i.e., vinyl LP, cassette, & CD): The album was released here in the U.S. in May of '85, and yes, it came out simultaneously in all three formats. However, even by mid '85, that wasn't always the case, as some new CD releases still trailed their vinyl LP & cassette counterparts onto store shelves by a month or two (or three); it was usually dependent upon how quickly CD pressing plants could keep up w/ demand, and in other cases, whether or not the album had proven itself at retail in the analog formats, and thus the labels felt it was worth putting the money into releasing them on digital disc as well. While researching this for Brothers in Arms, I found that the album did, in fact, debut at #24 on Billboard's then-new "Top Pop Compact Discs" chart in the June 8, 1985, issue of the magazine (pg. 26). The chart was a top 30, and only the second one ever published, but that was also the same week that the album debuted at #54 on the regular "Top Pop Albums" chart (pg. 76), which was of course based on a cumulation of sales for all three formats - so that indicates Brothers in Arms was one of the first albums to see a simultaneous CD release here in the U.S. (had to go back & refresh my memory on that one myself!)...

At that time, the cassette was king (having passed LPs in sales here back in '83), so Warner Bros. decided to give us tape buyers a bonus - extended versions of FOUR of the album's nine tracks (cassettes being able to hold more minutes of music than LPs, of course). The label even trumpeted this bonus on the front cover of the cassettes. Photos on Discogs: DIRE STRAITS - "Brothers in Arms" (U.S. cassette) Note the following, printed down at the bottom: "(dagger) This cassette features extended versions of four songs. Blank tape at end of Side Two is necessary to duplicate sequence of LP." The four songs in question all appeared on Side One of the album, so now look at the back side of the cassette insert, to the left of the UPC (bar) code. The four songs were "So Far Away" (track 1), "Money for Nothing" (track 2), "Your Latest Trick" (track 4), and "Why Worry" (track 5), as you'll note the same "dagger" symbol precedes each of those song titles. (Oh, and if you look at Side 1 of the cassette itself, the "dagger" is also printed following the titles of those same four songs.) So yes, the cassette featured the extended (8:24) version of "Money for Nothing", vs. the (7:04) version found on the vinyl LP - and in addition, the cassette contained the extended (5:06) version of "So Far Away", vs. the (3:59) version featured on the vinyl LP (more on that in a minute)...

Warner Bros. clearly decided from the get-go that they wanted to release Brothers in Arms on CD here as well, even though the digital format was still relatively new, and not yet firmly established. The label was giving the band a huge promotional backing, and that included making the album one of the first "full digital recordings" (SPARS code: "DDD"), which of course was considered the most ideal for CD. However, there was a problem - the U.S. had only just started pressing its own CDs at the time, and still couldn't keep up w/ demand. As a result, we were still relying primarily on Japan & West Germany to press our CDs, and as I mentioned above, even as of mid '85, if new albums were issued on CD at all, they often still followed the vinyl LPs & cassettes by as much as a few months. So in addition to fast-tracking its release simultaneously w/ the two analog formats, by making the album a full digital recording, Brothers in Arms was considered a landmark CD release at the time. In fact, none of the early CD copies of the album were made here, as both Japan-for-U.S. and West Germany-for-U.S. pressings exist, the latter being rarer (have the Japan-for-U.S. version myself). However, due to the overwhelming success/popularity of the album at the time, Brothers in Arms is also one of the easier titles to find vintage CD copies of. Here's an early Japan-for-U.S. pressing currently up for grabs on eBay: DIRE STRAITS - "Brothers in Arms" And here's a (rarer) West Germany-for-U.S. pressing: DIRE STRAITS - "Brothers in Arms"

As for the CD contents, buyers of the shiny new digital format were treated to the same bonus extended versions of the four tracks that were featured on the cassette. (A note on Discogs says that "Walk of Life" was also extended by five seconds to 4:12 on the cassette & CD vs. 4:07 on the vinyl LP, but according to Pat & the db, the song runs 4:06/4:07 on his various editions of the CD, so that doesn't appear to be true for U.S. copies, anyway - although a close comparison w/ the U.S. LP is probably still in order, just to be sure...)

It would probably be more accurate to call this the "cassette and CD LP version," to make it clear that it's not a version that was released at a later time than the vinyl LP.

After detailing all of the above, yes, I agree 100%. This also means that the actual (7:04) vinyl LP version has yet to appear on a U.S. CD, in addition to the (4:38) commercial 45 version. Including bonus tracks, bonus mixes, and/or extended versions of hit songs on the cassette & CD editions of albums was actually a pretty common gimmick/marketing ploy by the record labels, starting in '82 (especially on cassettes, since they were the market leader by far - it didn't really catch on w/ CDs until about 1987, although Brothers in Arms was obviously an exception)...

Now, to bring "So Far Away" closer into focus: In the db, Pat currently shows the lone (3:58) version on CD as the "(45 version)", while stating that the six CDs w/ a (5:05) length feature the "(LP version)". It would appear that is incorrect, as photos of the U.S. vinyl LP on Discogs (along w/ other posted info) show that the printed time for "So Far Away" is "3:59": DIRE STRAITS - "Brothers in Arms" (U.S. vinyl LP) I don't own the vinyl LP myself, but unless there were multiple pressings of Warner Bros. 1-25264, I think that if Pat re-times his copy, he'll more than likely discover that the song actually runs just shy of (4:00), as printed - so if that proves true, it appears the vinyl LP & 45 were actually the same. It would also mean that all of the CDs running (5:05) need to have their descriptor changed to "(cassette and CD LP version)" - or something similar - just like the (8:20) and (8:24) versions of "Money for Nothing". Pat, could you please double-check your LP???]]> Mon, 20 Oct 2014 15:45:27 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=41&PID=42439&title=dire-straitsmoney-for-nothing#42439