https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ Copyright (c) 2006-2013 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Thu, 09 Apr 2026 04:44:56 +0000 Fri, 02 Oct 2020 10:03:32 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 12.07 360 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=4101 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum//images/Top-40-Music-on-CD-Forum-Logo.png https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4101&PID=56136&title=tommy-james-40th-anniversary-cd#56136 Author: Pat Downey
Subject: 4101
Posted: 02 October 2020 at 10:03am

Ed the commercial 45 and CD appearance on this cd appear
to be equal.]]> Fri, 02 Oct 2020 10:03:32 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4101&PID=56136&title=tommy-james-40th-anniversary-cd#56136 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4101&PID=56067&title=tommy-james-40th-anniversary-cd#56067 Author: Edoz
Subject: 4101
Posted: 29 September 2020 at 1:48pm

Bumping this up because...in Yah Shure's post detailing the differences between this CD and the original singles, he says that "Gettin' Together" is the same speed as the commercial 45.

Pat's notation says that it is slightly faster.

I searched and didn't find any followup from Yah Shure or others.

So...is Pat right?]]> Tue, 29 Sep 2020 13:48:32 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4101&PID=56067&title=tommy-james-40th-anniversary-cd#56067 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4101&PID=52941&title=tommy-james-40th-anniversary-cd#52941 Author: Paul C
Subject: 4101
Posted: 05 November 2019 at 11:39am

The tapes used for this release, at least for the Roulette material, were supposedly found in the EMI vaults in the UK. So these may well be the UK single versions.]]> Tue, 05 Nov 2019 11:39:35 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4101&PID=52941&title=tommy-james-40th-anniversary-cd#52941 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4101&PID=52928&title=tommy-james-40th-anniversary-cd#52928 Author: Yah Shure
Subject: 4101
Posted: 03 November 2019 at 8:42pm

TallPaulInKy wrote: (they did not ship metal masters to other plants, as a general rule)

The only TJ&TS Roulette 45 I have that was NOT mastered by Bell Sound is "Hanky Panky", and that's most likely because the song was recorded at WNIL, and not in New York City. From "Say I Am (What I Am)" onward, every one of them, whether manufactured at RCA in Rockaway or Indianapolis, or at Columbia, was pressed from metal parts sourced from lacquers cut by Bell Sound Studio in NYC. The recording sessions took place at Allegro Sound, then the mastering to disc was done at nearby Bell Sound. Because no plants west of Indiana were contracted by Roulette, it may have been more economical to send the metal parts, instead of paying each of them to provide custom mastering.

Shelley Products was used on occasion, but neither they nor Columbia was ultized after "Out Of The Blue", leaving RCA as Roulette's only pressing plant for 45s through the early '70s.

TallPaulInKy wrote: The reason the DJ copy is the definitive one, is because normally it is the one approved by the producer, they were generally pressed in the same plant.

In most cases, the "A" and "B" sides on the promos and stocks were the same, other than the difference in labels. The promos were the first ones out of the chute, obviously, but that didn't necessarily make them any more "definitive" than the earliest stock pressings, given that both configurations were made from the same metal parts within each plant. Between Ritchie Cordell and Bo Gentry, then Tommy, I seriously doubt that any of them, as producers, approved promo runs and stock runs separately. They simply signed off on "the single."

TallPaulInKy wrote: So best not to get too excited about a couple seconds difference.

Perhaps that may be true of the rest of the world, but such minutiae is the very point of many of the discussions on this site!

My gripe about this particular CD release was that there were a few songs that didn't sound the same as those lacquers that were cut by Bell Sound. "Ball Of Fire" was a real letdown. The compilation producer could have compared it with the tape and said, "Hey, we need to kick up the bottom end so the tape on that song matches the power of the 45."     ]]> Sun, 03 Nov 2019 20:42:38 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4101&PID=52928&title=tommy-james-40th-anniversary-cd#52928 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4101&PID=52927&title=tommy-james-40th-anniversary-cd#52927 Author: Hykker
Subject: 4101
Posted: 03 November 2019 at 7:23am

TallPaulInKy wrote: The reason the DJ copy is the definitive one, is because normally it is the one approved by the producer, they were generally pressed in the same plant.

Maybe, maybe not...that varied by label. I don't know
about Roulette but at the very least London and Atlantic
group promos were different in different parts of the
country. West coast of both were Monarch pressings on
styrene, east coast Atlantic were on vinyl. London
promos were styrene, but not Monarch pressings. Not sure
about the midwest or south.
I believe all Capitol promos were from the same plant.

YahShure could probably shed a lot more light on this.
]]> Sun, 03 Nov 2019 07:23:51 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4101&PID=52927&title=tommy-james-40th-anniversary-cd#52927 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4101&PID=52926&title=tommy-james-40th-anniversary-cd#52926 Author: TallPaulInKy
Subject: 4101
Posted: 02 November 2019 at 10:06am

Bwci Bo wrote: I've just acquired a copy of this CD and while I am not too fussed about having the exact lengths and fades of the corresponding vinyl 45s, I'd at least like to have everything playing at the correct speed.

The problem with comparing the 45s against a CD
reissue, you almost have to use the DJ copies for
comparison. Record companies had various pressing
plants to manufacture product for the two coasts and
sometimes one in Nashville or Chicago for the Mid West.
When the disk masters were cut for the various plants
(they did not ship metal masters to other plants, as a
general rule) Typical singles were cut 1/4 musical tone
faster, unless requested to be cut flat on the work
order. Therefore a difference of a second or two in
playing time was common.

So best not to get too excited about a couple seconds
difference.

The reason the DJ copy is the definitive one, is
because normally it is the one approved by the
producer, they were generally pressed in the same
plant.
]]> Sat, 02 Nov 2019 10:06:30 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4101&PID=52926&title=tommy-james-40th-anniversary-cd#52926 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4101&PID=43663&title=tommy-james-40th-anniversary-cd#43663 Author: The Hits Man
Subject: 4101
Posted: 22 May 2015 at 8:32pm

Until the true mono 45 version of "Mony Mony" shows up
digitally, i'm happy to keep using my needledrop of the
45. I understand that the reason Tommy James didn't use
the single version tape is because the it was always
wrong, and he wanted to use the opportunity to fix it.
Revisionist history.]]> Fri, 22 May 2015 20:32:56 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4101&PID=43663&title=tommy-james-40th-anniversary-cd#43663 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4101&PID=43645&title=tommy-james-40th-anniversary-cd#43645 Author: Bwci Bo
Subject: 4101
Posted: 18 May 2015 at 8:30pm

Cheers John!]]> Mon, 18 May 2015 20:30:37 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4101&PID=43645&title=tommy-james-40th-anniversary-cd#43645 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4101&PID=43642&title=tommy-james-40th-anniversary-cd#43642 Author: Yah Shure
Subject: 4101
Posted: 18 May 2015 at 6:52pm

Bwci Bo wrote: I just need to figure out the speed correction for Out Of The Blue.

You're in luck, Duane! The same "Out Of The Blue" 45 needledrop I used for my initial analysis is still on the hard drive and is headed your way. ]]> Mon, 18 May 2015 18:52:40 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4101&PID=43642&title=tommy-james-40th-anniversary-cd#43642 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4101&PID=43641&title=tommy-james-40th-anniversary-cd#43641 Author: Bwci Bo
Subject: 4101
Posted: 18 May 2015 at 4:41pm

Aaron: Agreed, overall it's a pretty good compilation.
My ears aren't as sharp as yours so I hadn't noticed the
vinyl dubs. But at the end of the day, I'd rather have
some nice sounding vinyl dubs than nothing at all.

I just need to figure out the speed correction for Out
Of The Blue. Big thanks to edtop40 for his help with
the other two.

Edited by Bwci Bo]]> Mon, 18 May 2015 16:41:13 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4101&PID=43641&title=tommy-james-40th-anniversary-cd#43641