https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ Copyright (c) 2006-2013 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Tue, 21 Apr 2026 12:26:42 +0000 Mon, 27 Jul 2015 13:16:19 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 12.07 360 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=4198 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum//images/Top-40-Music-on-CD-Forum-Logo.png https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4198&PID=44029&title=gerry-pacemakers-ferry-cross-the-mersey#44029 Author: TomDiehl1
Subject: 4198
Posted: 27 July 2015 at 1:16pm

I am wondering if the original discussion about the
intro being a different vocal take was in reference to
the song I'll Be There, where the stereo mix does
contain a different vocal take (though the intro vocal
to the US 45 version for I'll Be There can be found at
the end of the stereo mix of that particular song). ]]> Mon, 27 Jul 2015 13:16:19 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4198&PID=44029&title=gerry-pacemakers-ferry-cross-the-mersey#44029 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4198&PID=43907&title=gerry-pacemakers-ferry-cross-the-mersey#43907 Author: davidclark
Subject: 4198
Posted: 23 June 2015 at 6:34pm

glad you got to the bottom of this, Markie (and glad we are correct).]]> Tue, 23 Jun 2015 18:34:07 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4198&PID=43907&title=gerry-pacemakers-ferry-cross-the-mersey#43907 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4198&PID=43893&title=gerry-pacemakers-ferry-cross-the-mersey#43893 Author: MMathews
Subject: 4198
Posted: 21 June 2015 at 4:35pm

OK I compared the U.S. 45 + LP version with the mono EMI
Years version and found the latter to be a dedicated mono
mix. It also runs a slower pitch than the U.S version.

The opening "bongos / drums" - we'll just say "the drum
track" - is mixed way out of the intro. So David heard
right. There is only a "bleed-thru" of them in the
background, and then they are turned up full as soon as
he starts singing.
The rest of the mix is basically the same, I only
detected a slight difference in the reverb. Another minor
thing is the vocal track is potted up full during the
intro so you hear breath sounds louder where the US
version those sounds are present, but much lower in the
mix before he starts singing.

For bitman: so the version you created by tacking on the
drum track intro can't work because the drum part would
be missing from :04 - :14. Simply fold down the entire
stereo mix and that makes the U.S 45.

So it appears from the above research that the EMI Years
CD and any others containing this mix can be described as
the "UK & Canadian 45 Version" while the rest of the CD's
need no description at all.     ]]> Sun, 21 Jun 2015 16:35:14 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4198&PID=43893&title=gerry-pacemakers-ferry-cross-the-mersey#43893 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4198&PID=43885&title=gerry-pacemakers-ferry-cross-the-mersey#43885 Author: MMathews
Subject: 4198
Posted: 19 June 2015 at 7:42pm

Bitman, later I'll be doing one final sync check and compare the LP mix to the mono UK 45 version to see if there are any differences...David said the drums sound different.
It's quite possible they did a dedicated mono mix for the UK but did not send that to Laurie.   I'll post whatever I find here.
MM ]]> Fri, 19 Jun 2015 19:42:38 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4198&PID=43885&title=gerry-pacemakers-ferry-cross-the-mersey#43885 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4198&PID=43882&title=gerry-pacemakers-ferry-cross-the-mersey#43882 Author: bitman
Subject: 4198
Posted: 19 June 2015 at 11:00am

That's good to know. I took the mono version from The EMI Years 1963-1966, then folded down the opening bongos from a stereo version of the song and tacked them on to recreate the 45 version, which I'm relieved to find out is apparently the actual 45 version.]]> Fri, 19 Jun 2015 11:00:53 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4198&PID=43882&title=gerry-pacemakers-ferry-cross-the-mersey#43882 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4198&PID=43881&title=gerry-pacemakers-ferry-cross-the-mersey#43881 Author: MMathews
Subject: 4198
Posted: 18 June 2015 at 11:55pm

OK
I just finished comparing a dub of a confirmed original
Laurie 3284 single with the stereo mix (taken from
Rhino's Brit. Invasion Vol 4, but just about any Cd will
do.)

I have no idea what info was being passed around on the
Skyline site years ago, but there is NO difference
between the U.S. 45 and the stereo mix. I just folded
the stereo mix down, and put it side by side against the
Laurie single. They are the same mix, no changes. Laurie
didn't even compress it. The are identical.
Now, my single has a listed time of (2:22) but actual is
(2:21).
All the CD versions that run (2:22) are just a tad slower
than the 45 but pretty much every copy is within 1
second.

Happy to put this issue to bed. I've just emailed Pat an
mp3 of my sync-file so he can be confident in my report!

MM
]]> Thu, 18 Jun 2015 23:55:43 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4198&PID=43881&title=gerry-pacemakers-ferry-cross-the-mersey#43881 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4198&PID=43808&title=gerry-pacemakers-ferry-cross-the-mersey#43808 Author: davidclark
Subject: 4198
Posted: 12 June 2015 at 6:49am

MM you da man! thanks.]]> Fri, 12 Jun 2015 06:49:26 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4198&PID=43808&title=gerry-pacemakers-ferry-cross-the-mersey#43808 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4198&PID=43806&title=gerry-pacemakers-ferry-cross-the-mersey#43806 Author: Oddbjorn
Subject: 4198
Posted: 12 June 2015 at 2:20am

Davidclark, Yes it is the same opening on the UK45 as the one on YouTube.]]> Fri, 12 Jun 2015 02:20:58 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4198&PID=43806&title=gerry-pacemakers-ferry-cross-the-mersey#43806 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4198&PID=43802&title=gerry-pacemakers-ferry-cross-the-mersey#43802 Author: MMathews
Subject: 4198
Posted: 11 June 2015 at 11:23pm

David, I'm going to do a sync check on this 45, I am just
awaiting a good dub of it. I'll post my findings as soon
as possible.
MM]]> Thu, 11 Jun 2015 23:23:41 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4198&PID=43802&title=gerry-pacemakers-ferry-cross-the-mersey#43802 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4198&PID=43801&title=gerry-pacemakers-ferry-cross-the-mersey#43801 Author: davidclark
Subject: 4198
Posted: 11 June 2015 at 10:33pm

OddNor, from what you indicate, it would seem that the UK 45 trims off
the opening 0:04 of drum “solo", as does the CAD 45. Seems the US 45
used what was an LP version that includes the opening 0:04 of drums.

Are the drums mixed way down in the UK version during the 0:10
instrumental opening as they are in the CAD 45s I posted from YouTube?

I have been sent a US 45 dub, and i still can not detect a vocal
difference. If there is one, can someone point it out to me?

Edited by davidclark]]> Thu, 11 Jun 2015 22:33:11 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4198&PID=43801&title=gerry-pacemakers-ferry-cross-the-mersey#43801