https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ Copyright (c) 2006-2013 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Sat, 11 Apr 2026 08:09:09 +0000 Fri, 21 Nov 2025 14:09:14 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 12.07 360 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=4505 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum//images/Top-40-Music-on-CD-Forum-Logo.png https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4505&PID=67529&title=diana-rosssurrender#67529 Author: eriejwg
Subject: 4505
Posted: 21 November 2025 at 2:09pm

The promo 45 and commercial 45 on 45cat both have a listed time of 2:53.

The commercial 45 in this video is mono and runs 2:39. https://youtu.be/w_RRXSaZLAI


]]> Fri, 21 Nov 2025 14:09:14 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4505&PID=67529&title=diana-rosssurrender#67529 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4505&PID=67526&title=diana-rosssurrender#67526 Author: PopArchivist
Subject: 4505
Posted: 20 November 2025 at 11:31pm

Since this is not in the database I can tell you that Jim was correct the mono 45 runs 2:39 based on the 45 prof dub.

The Mono 45 version is on Complete Motown Singles Vol. 11B 1971 Disc 2 and runs 2:39
The Stereo LP version is on Surrender and runs 2:55.

I have no idea where the Stereo 45 version is. Partly because the database has no listing for this track or simply the label never put a stereo 45 out for this lower charter in 1971.

There is the possibility that the stereo 45 version never made CD. Anyone want to chime in with some thoughts. If you have a CD that has the 2:39 45 version in Stereo let me know. Thanks.

]]> Thu, 20 Nov 2025 23:31:55 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4505&PID=67526&title=diana-rosssurrender#67526 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4505&PID=20789&title=diana-rosssurrender#20789 Author: Yah Shure
Subject: 4505
Posted: 02 February 2009 at 6:21pm

imwan.com is the former ICE magazine's website.]]> Mon, 02 Feb 2009 18:21:27 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4505&PID=20789&title=diana-rosssurrender#20789 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4505&PID=20788&title=diana-rosssurrender#20788 Author: jimct
Subject: 4505
Posted: 02 February 2009 at 3:23pm

jimct wrote: Although not in the database, this song peaked at #38 in Billboard in 9/71. My commercial 45, which is mono and confirmed as Motown 1188, has a listed time of (2:53), but an actual time of (2:38). It is due to make its 45 appearance on the new, Motown Singles Box, Vol. 11B (I will report back then on the particulars for this song)...

On the new Motown Singles Box Vol. 11B, "Surrender" is in (M), and runs (2:37).

Edited by jimct]]> Mon, 02 Feb 2009 15:23:50 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4505&PID=20788&title=diana-rosssurrender#20788 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4505&PID=20758&title=diana-rosssurrender#20758 Author: EdisonLite
Subject: 4505
Posted: 29 January 2009 at 3:21pm

Thanks for the great tip. I didn't even know they had that. Besides upcoming reissue releases and this week's, is there a way to go back week by week and see what the reissues were in, say, the past 1 or 2 months?]]> Thu, 29 Jan 2009 15:21:24 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4505&PID=20758&title=diana-rosssurrender#20758 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4505&PID=20756&title=diana-rosssurrender#20756 Author: 80smusicfreak
Subject: 4505
Posted: 29 January 2009 at 3:09pm

EdisonLite wrote: I check out All Music Guide for things like songwriter credits, but do they have a way to use the search engine to learn the new (reissue) releases of the week? (Or do they just have a listing/page for that?) If you want to know what reissues are coming out this week, is there any way to do it without going to every single artist in existence and see if a new addition was added to their discography that week?

Yep. On their home page, just click on "New Releases" under the "site menu" in the upper right corner. It then takes you to that page, where you'll then have three choices: 1) "Just Released", which is the current week's list of all newly-recorded albums, 2) "Reissues", for compilations and new editions of old titles, and 3) "Upcoming Releases", for titles due out soon. There's a link under each one that says "Click here for full list." :-) You can also sign up for their weekly e-mail newsletter that details new releases - but again, whether you use the web site or the e-mail newsletter, I find they're not exactly complete, either...]]> Thu, 29 Jan 2009 15:09:02 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4505&PID=20756&title=diana-rosssurrender#20756 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4505&PID=20752&title=diana-rosssurrender#20752 Author: EdisonLite
Subject: 4505
Posted: 29 January 2009 at 10:41am

I check out All Music Guide for things like songwriter credits, but do they have a way to use the search engine to learn the new (reissue) releases of the week? (Or do they just have a listing/page for that?) If you want to know what reissues are coming out this week, is there any way to do it without going to every single artist in existence and see if a new addition was added to their discography that week?]]> Thu, 29 Jan 2009 10:41:26 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4505&PID=20752&title=diana-rosssurrender#20752 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4505&PID=20735&title=diana-rosssurrender#20735 Author: 80smusicfreak
Subject: 4505
Posted: 28 January 2009 at 4:30am

EdisonLite wrote: The only thing that comes close to "ice" for me is one you already mentioned, "Pause and Play". But I don't find it to be as medicore as you do. It may not list 100% of reissue releases but they do have a lot of US, UK & Australian releases. Come to think of it, they probably don't have any Japan releases, and may not have much for Germany.

Sorry, but I have to disagree. P&P doesn't have even a third of the number of new releases that "ice" used to list, and lately it seems like half the re-issues/compilations that they DO show are either exclusively "MP3 Downloads" (call me old-fashioned, but I still prefer to collect my music in PHYSICAL formats) or LPs (again, not a huge fan of vinyl, so those listings do nothing for me, either)!

And then there's the stuff they miss altogether. Case in point: About a week ago, I accidentally discovered through eBay that Crosby, Stills & Nash's 1983 album, "Allies" (which features their near-top 40 hit, "War Games"), was about to be re-issued on Rhino! Atlantic did originally issue "Allies" on CD briefly here in the U.S. in the mid '80s, but since it was never a big seller of theirs, it was quickly deleted, and those originals currently fetch $75-$100 on eBay. I do have "Allies" on cassette, but it's a title I've wanted on CD as well for several years now, but not at the cost of a Benjamin - and I've yet to stumble across one in my extensive travels to used CD stores. The new re-issue supposedly came out yesterday (January 27), yet P&P has never listed it! To be fair, it appears that this new edition from Rhino may have been pushed back; CD Universe now shows it as "backordered", although Amazon still lists it as available w/ shipping in 1-3 weeks. But regardless, even if it has been delayed, that still doesn't excuse P&P from not at least listing "Allies" under their "More Upcoming Releases" list (the one that shows titles "without exact release dates"). Ah, but I guess they feel that CSN were never popular enough to be worth mentioning...

So again, I remain frustrated at not having a single source as authoritative as "ice", and having to take the time to piece together what ultimately amounts to just a half-decent list from multiple sources! More and more, like w/ "Allies", it seems that lately I just stumble across new-release info accidentally, whether it's through eBay or other sites/sources. Another example: If you're into '70s & '80s rock/AOR like I am, there's an excellent re-issue label out of the U.K. that's fairly new called Rock Candy; none of their recent releases have been listed on P&P, either...

But I haven't really found any site that gives a week-by-week release schedule (for oldies & newies) that's more comprehensive than this one. Anyone have any better suggestions?

I do find that All Music Guide is a bit better than P&P when it comes to imports and slightly lesser-known acts...]]> Wed, 28 Jan 2009 04:30:46 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4505&PID=20735&title=diana-rosssurrender#20735 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4505&PID=20586&title=diana-rosssurrender#20586 Author: EdisonLite
Subject: 4505
Posted: 17 January 2009 at 9:48am

The only thing that comes close to "ice" for me is one you already mentioned, "Pause and Play". But I don't find it to be as medicore as you do. It may not list 100% of reissue releases but they do have a lot of US, UK & Australian releases. Come to think of it, they probably don't have any Japan releases, and may not have much for Germany. But I haven't really found any site that gives a week-by-week release schedule (for oldies & newies) that's more comprehensive than this one. Anyone have any better suggestions?

Edited by EdisonLite]]> Sat, 17 Jan 2009 09:48:06 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4505&PID=20586&title=diana-rosssurrender#20586 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4505&PID=20582&title=diana-rosssurrender#20582 Author: Brian W.
Subject: 4505
Posted: 16 January 2009 at 1:23pm

80smusicfreak wrote: Not to hijack this thread, but would you care to share your best current on-line sources for new releases, Brian W.???

Hmm... I generally just read about them on BSN or SteveHoffman.tv. Or here. I don't really have a specific website or other publication that I get that info from anymore.]]> Fri, 16 Jan 2009 13:23:46 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4505&PID=20582&title=diana-rosssurrender#20582