https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ Copyright (c) 2006-2013 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Thu, 09 Apr 2026 19:44:33 +0000 Wed, 21 Dec 2016 04:24:42 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 12.07 360 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=4592 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum//images/Top-40-Music-on-CD-Forum-Logo.png https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4592&PID=46613&title=sweeney-todd-roxy-roller#46613 Author: Jody Thornton
Subject: 4592
Posted: 21 December 2016 at 4:24am

eriejwg wrote: Back when Oldies 1150 (CKOC) was still around, and they moved to more of a classic hits feel, they played "Roxy Roller" in regular rotation. Pretty sure they played the Nick Gilder version even though their online playlist said Sweeney Todd.

It was definitely the Nick Gilder version. Back in the mid-70s they played the mono 45-rpm disc of Nick Gilder's version (on the green London label), and before they went sports, that version was played quite a bit.
]]> Wed, 21 Dec 2016 04:24:42 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4592&PID=46613&title=sweeney-todd-roxy-roller#46613 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4592&PID=46610&title=sweeney-todd-roxy-roller#46610 Author: eriejwg
Subject: 4592
Posted: 20 December 2016 at 6:03pm

Back when Oldies 1150 (CKOC) was still around, and they
moved to more of a classic hits feel, they played "Roxy
Roller" in regular rotation. Pretty sure they played the
Nick Gilder version even though their online playlist
said Sweeney Todd.]]> Tue, 20 Dec 2016 18:03:22 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4592&PID=46610&title=sweeney-todd-roxy-roller#46610 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4592&PID=46609&title=sweeney-todd-roxy-roller#46609 Author: eriejwg
Subject: 4592
Posted: 20 December 2016 at 5:59pm

Guessing the single that Gilder was to release in late
1977/early 1978 was Hot Child In The City?]]> Tue, 20 Dec 2016 17:59:53 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4592&PID=46609&title=sweeney-todd-roxy-roller#46609 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4592&PID=46608&title=sweeney-todd-roxy-roller#46608 Author: crapfromthepast
Subject: 4592
Posted: 20 December 2016 at 2:06pm

From Billboard, October 2, 1976:

Sweeney Todd, which broke wide open in the Canadian market with its third single release, "Roxy Roller," in mid-April, has been hard put to keep up with its own personnel, administrative and recording changes in the last six months, a scenario that has undoubtedly had a detrimental effect on product consistency and promotion.

The group released a debut album on London late in 1975. A first single, "Rock and Roll Story," released with the album, and a second, "Sweeney Todd Folder," released in February, received regional airplay across the country, with "Folder" making it as a solid West Coast hit. Negotiations for an American label deal were underway between ST manager Barry Samuels and several American majors, primarily London and Chrysalis. London was, reportedly, interested in signing the group, while Chrysalis was more inclined to sign lead singer Nick Gilder and lead guitarist Jim McCulloch to separate recording deals.

The situation came to a head in April; no sooner was Roxy Roller released than Gilder and McCulloch signed with Chrysalis, Gilder for a five-year, five-album deal and McCulloch to collaborate with Gilder as a writing team (they had been responsible for most of the material on the ST album) and work on his own projects.

Martin Shaer, head of the London-distributed Top Hat International production company to which the group is signed, assumed management of the group (which now consisted of Budd Marr on bass, Dan Gaurdin on keyboards and John Booth on drums) and immediately replaced Gilder and McCulloch with Clark Perry and Skip Prest. Samuels retained management on Gilder and McCulloch; Gilder is expected to have a single released in September and an LP later in the year.

Chrysalis had purchased the US rights to the ST album masters as part of the deal, so the new group returned to the studio to re-record "Roxy Roller" along with three other sides-"Juicy Loose," "Rue De Chance" and "Broadway Boogie"-in anticipation of signing a U.S. deal with London. The first "Roxy Roller," in the interim, was topping charts across Canada, rising to No. 1 on 15 stations and charted top 10 on 15 more.

In July, Shaer closed a distribution deal for Top Hat with London in the US that gave the new "Roxy Roller" immediate American release. Initial reaction was strong, but again, in August, the group was experiencing personnel changes. This time new lead vocalist Clark Perry was being replaced by even newer lead vocalist-guitarist Brian Adams, who began working into the band on several Alberta dates late in the month.

If American response to "Roxy" is strong, plans are to rush out an album for the American market by October. Otherwise, the group will have to hold off until late in the year or early 1977 for a second album release. A new single, "Juicy Loose," was released in Canada in August.]]> Tue, 20 Dec 2016 14:06:39 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4592&PID=46608&title=sweeney-todd-roxy-roller#46608 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4592&PID=46607&title=sweeney-todd-roxy-roller#46607 Author: Paul Haney
Subject: 4592
Posted: 20 December 2016 at 11:56am

Thanks for all your work on this one, Ron!

The next edition of Top Pop Singles will be amended accordingly.]]> Tue, 20 Dec 2016 11:56:36 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4592&PID=46607&title=sweeney-todd-roxy-roller#46607 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4592&PID=46606&title=sweeney-todd-roxy-roller#46606 Author: crapfromthepast
Subject: 4592
Posted: 20 December 2016 at 11:38am

Thanks to Paul, I can confirm that the commercial release of London 240 is the Clark Perry version in stereo.

I've updated two of my posts farther up in the thread to reflect this.

Now, we can ask: why? Perhaps I should contact producer Martin Shaer...]]> Tue, 20 Dec 2016 11:38:11 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4592&PID=46606&title=sweeney-todd-roxy-roller#46606 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4592&PID=46513&title=sweeney-todd-roxy-roller#46513 Author: Paul Haney
Subject: 4592
Posted: 27 November 2016 at 4:53am

WOW! If the charted version on London 240 really IS Clark Perry instead of Nick Gilder, then the Top Pop Singles book needs to be amended. That's certainly news to me.]]> Sun, 27 Nov 2016 04:53:21 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4592&PID=46513&title=sweeney-todd-roxy-roller#46513 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4592&PID=46512&title=sweeney-todd-roxy-roller#46512 Author: crapfromthepast
Subject: 4592
Posted: 26 November 2016 at 5:57pm

New information, thanks to Jeff K!

Which leads to a big question: Did the London 240 commercial 45 feature the Clark Perry vocals? [Edited - Answer: Yes!]

I can confirm the existence of the following 45s:

commercial London 5N-240
A-side: Roxy Roller, Clark Perry version in stereo, matrix number ZCL 8162 (confirmed by audio from Paul H and scan on Discogs)
B-side: Rue De Chance, vocals by Clark Perry?, matrix number ZCL 8163 (scan on Discogs)

promo London 5N-240-DJ
A-side: Roxy Roller, Clark Perry version in stereo, matrix number ZCL 8162 (confirmed by audio and scans from Jeff K)
B-side: Roxy Roller, Clark Perry version in mono, matrix number CL 8162 (confirmed by audio and scans from Jeff K)

commercial London 5N-244
A-side: Roxy Roller, Bryan Guy Adams version in stereo, matrix number ZCL 8171 (scan on Discogs)
B-side: Rue De Chance, Bryan Guy Adams vocals in stereo, matrix number ZCL 8172 (scan on Discogs)

promo London 5N-244-DJ
A-side: Roxy Roller, Bryan Guy Adams version in stereo, matrix number ZCL 8171 (scan on Discogs)
B-side: Roxy Roller, Bryan Guy Adams version in mono, matrix number CL 8171 (scan on Discogs)

London never released the original Nick Gilder version on a 45 in the US! In the US, the original version of the song (the hit in Canada) is considered a Nick Gilder solo record, and came out on a Chrysalis 45.

[Edited to include updated info from below in the thread.]

Edited by crapfromthepast]]> Sat, 26 Nov 2016 17:57:47 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4592&PID=46512&title=sweeney-todd-roxy-roller#46512 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4592&PID=46454&title=sweeney-todd-roxy-roller#46454 Author: eriejwg
Subject: 4592
Posted: 09 November 2016 at 11:02pm

The 2:45 mono 45 version of "Roxy Roller" appears on the
Best Of Nick Gilder.]]> Wed, 09 Nov 2016 23:02:44 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4592&PID=46454&title=sweeney-todd-roxy-roller#46454 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4592&PID=46453&title=sweeney-todd-roxy-roller#46453 Author: davidclark
Subject: 4592
Posted: 08 November 2016 at 9:35pm

Great analysis, Ron.

I can confirm that the Nick Gilder 45 version did indeed appear on some
pressings of the CAD LP (my copy has the stereo LP version while my friend's
has the mono 45).

Edited by davidclark]]> Tue, 08 Nov 2016 21:35:06 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4592&PID=46453&title=sweeney-todd-roxy-roller#46453