https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ Copyright (c) 2006-2013 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Wed, 15 Apr 2026 07:12:21 +0000 Fri, 16 Apr 2010 22:39:55 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 12.07 360 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=4665 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum//images/Top-40-Music-on-CD-Forum-Logo.png https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4665&PID=25972&title=whistling-jack-smithi-was-kaiser#25972 Author: Todd Ireland
Subject: 4665
Posted: 16 April 2010 at 10:39pm

jimct wrote: Pat, in continuing my 1967 research today, I stumbled upon the fact that the db was never updated with the "listed (2:22); actual (2:26)" timing info I first posted in early 2009.

Jim, I'm delighted to hear you've resumed your 1967 research and long-term goal to uncover more vinyl 45 "listed vs. actual" run time discrepencies! As you well know, this information is especially valuable to those of us seeking 45 versions on CD in their correct lengths. I currently have questions regarding run time info for numerous '50s and '60s Top 40 hits, so I will look forward to picking your brain as well as that of other message board members having expertise in this era!

Edited by Todd Ireland]]> Fri, 16 Apr 2010 22:39:55 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4665&PID=25972&title=whistling-jack-smithi-was-kaiser#25972 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4665&PID=25948&title=whistling-jack-smithi-was-kaiser#25948 Author: Yah Shure
Subject: 4665
Posted: 15 April 2010 at 7:02pm

Hykker wrote: Another interesting thing about this song is that it's the only Deram single I've ever seen with the multi-tone orange swirl label on promo copies like other London subsidiary labels..... By the summer of '67 their promos were the stock label with "promotional copy" printed on it. I wonder why Deram was different from other London labels.

Steve, the first U.S. Deram 45 (#7501) was Cat Stevens' 1966 #118 bubbler, "I Love My Dog." My promo copy was also printed on the standard London/Parrot/Press, et al. orange swirl promo label, using only plain block "DERAM" letters for a logo.

This is strictly a guess, but it could be that, unlike the color-intensive Parrot & Press stock labels, the Deram stock label had a significant amount of plain white background, perhaps enough so that less ink was used on the stocks than on the initial run of 1966-early '67 orange-swirl Deram promos.

Too bad Stevens didn't cut this one as "Walkin' My Dog Named Cat." :)

BTW, for whatever reason Deram utilized concurrent 45 numbering systems - the 7500 and 85000 series - by the time my promo copy of Stevens' Matthew And Son" (7505) bubbled under in March of '67, it was already on the more familiar brown and white promo label . This was over a month before Whistling Jack Smith (85005) charted. Looks like there was some overlap.

Edited by Yah Shure]]> Thu, 15 Apr 2010 19:02:52 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4665&PID=25948&title=whistling-jack-smithi-was-kaiser#25948 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4665&PID=25947&title=whistling-jack-smithi-was-kaiser#25947 Author: Yah Shure
Subject: 4665
Posted: 15 April 2010 at 4:35pm

Hykker wrote: Clearly someone thought whistled tunes were going to be the next big thing!

Well, the folks at Jubilee Records certainly thought so!

Take one part "Ding Dong The Witch Is Dead" (the label's big hit that year - hey, it worked once!) and add one part "I Was Kaiser Bill's Batman." Graft the results onto Mats Olsson's 1965 Swedish instrumental "Lappland," and the resulting Frankenstein by The Baltimore & Ohio Marching Band skyrockets all the way to... number 94!!!

How could it have failed? Must've been that kazoo! By comparison, it almost makes Pat Boone look like he knew what he was doing. :)]]> Thu, 15 Apr 2010 16:35:55 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4665&PID=25947&title=whistling-jack-smithi-was-kaiser#25947 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4665&PID=25946&title=whistling-jack-smithi-was-kaiser#25946 Author: Hykker
Subject: 4665
Posted: 15 April 2010 at 4:31pm

Another interesting thing about this song is that it's the only Deram single I've ever seen with the multi-tone orange swirl label on promo copies like other London subsidiary labels. Mine's a stock copy, but in high school a friend of mine won a copy from the local station and it's on the orange label. By the summer of '67 their promos were the stock label with "promotional copy" printed on it. I wonder why Deram was different from other London labels.]]> Thu, 15 Apr 2010 16:31:14 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4665&PID=25946&title=whistling-jack-smithi-was-kaiser#25946 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4665&PID=25943&title=whistling-jack-smithi-was-kaiser#25943 Author: jimct
Subject: 4665
Posted: 15 April 2010 at 12:47pm

Steve, my local Top 40 station actually added the Carnaby Street Set version (Columbia 44092) first, on 4/8/67. Then they listed both versions together for the next two weeks, before exclusively switching over to the eventual hit version. It was so very common for UK hits to be quickly covered by U.S. acts, to try to have the big hit over here (and vice versa). Sometimes it worked, and sometimes it didn't. Thanks for reminding me about that one!]]> Thu, 15 Apr 2010 12:47:18 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4665&PID=25943&title=whistling-jack-smithi-was-kaiser#25943 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4665&PID=25942&title=whistling-jack-smithi-was-kaiser#25942 Author: Hykker
Subject: 4665
Posted: 15 April 2010 at 12:29pm

I'd forgotten about Pat Boone's cover of this (will he ever learn?)! There was a 3rd version of this released around the same time by the Carnaby Street Set on Columbia. Clearly someone thought whistled tunes were going to be the next big thing!]]> Thu, 15 Apr 2010 12:29:13 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4665&PID=25942&title=whistling-jack-smithi-was-kaiser#25942 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4665&PID=25937&title=whistling-jack-smithi-was-kaiser#25937 Author: jimct
Subject: 4665
Posted: 15 April 2010 at 11:58am

Pat, in continuing my 1967 research today, I stumbled upon the fact that the db was never updated with the "listed (2:22); actual (2:26)" timing info I first posted in early 2009.]]> Thu, 15 Apr 2010 11:58:28 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4665&PID=25937&title=whistling-jack-smithi-was-kaiser#25937 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4665&PID=21335&title=whistling-jack-smithi-was-kaiser#21335 Author: Yah Shure
Subject: 4665
Posted: 28 February 2009 at 9:14am

No problem, Jim! I first noticed the difference when I played the song from the 1968 Parrot compilation LP The Greatest Hits From England, Vol. 2 at my college station.

One thing is for certain: we can all be thankful that this LP title track cover version never made it beyond the unnumbered promo stage for 45 purposes (although it's not anywhere near as bad as one might expect from this artist.) :)]]> Sat, 28 Feb 2009 09:14:45 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4665&PID=21335&title=whistling-jack-smithi-was-kaiser#21335 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4665&PID=21333&title=whistling-jack-smithi-was-kaiser#21333 Author: jimct
Subject: 4665
Posted: 28 February 2009 at 12:27am

I appreciate your specific explanation, Yah Shure. I did not know that "LP version" in the database meant that the 45 was a completely different take, in this case. I had never noticed those differences between the 45 and CD versions before, so thanks for pointing them out to me! ]]> Sat, 28 Feb 2009 00:27:52 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4665&PID=21333&title=whistling-jack-smithi-was-kaiser#21333 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4665&PID=21332&title=whistling-jack-smithi-was-kaiser#21332 Author: Yah Shure
Subject: 4665
Posted: 27 February 2009 at 10:24pm

Jim, thanks for adding the explanation, but I am aware of the CD versions being in stereo, as I have the Collectors Choice disc. But it isn't a length issue; the U.S. 45 is a completely different take than the U.S. LP version. Aside from the different whistling and backing tracks involved, the one and only spoken word is also different, when it appears at the pause. It's "hey!" on the 45, and "oy!" on the LP/CDs.

Edited by Yah Shure]]> Fri, 27 Feb 2009 22:24:42 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4665&PID=21332&title=whistling-jack-smithi-was-kaiser#21332