https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ Copyright (c) 2006-2013 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Mon, 04 May 2026 14:25:25 +0000 Fri, 04 Mar 2022 16:48:39 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 12.07 360 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=4673 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum//images/Top-40-Music-on-CD-Forum-Logo.png https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4673&PID=60379&title=knock-three-times-dawn#60379 Author: AdvprosD
Subject: 4673
Posted: 04 March 2022 at 4:48pm

I think I might have heard the 45 version for the first time in quite a long while. I double checked the source against the database, and it actually was the 45 version in mono.

I was outside the board talking to Aaron about a collection of Sony CDs called Super Hits of the 70's and some odd stuff I heard. The discussion was actually about this being
one of the earliest collections I can recall that was sold as a 5 disc 100-song collection. Later, I dug up another set that was only 60 songs on 4 discs. The database lists it
as "Sony Music Commercial Music Group 778234 Hits Of The 70's (Box Set) (45 version)." Since it was the 45 version, I decided to rip it to the PC.

I'm deviating away from Tony Orlando here to note that there may be a whole lot of 45 versions on this set, (The 60 song set.) The 100 song set seems to be mostly album versions.

I'm kind-of glad I picked this set up because there is a lot of material here that I need to dig into a bit to see just how many 45 versions are on this.]]> Fri, 04 Mar 2022 16:48:39 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4673&PID=60379&title=knock-three-times-dawn#60379 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4673&PID=50847&title=knock-three-times-dawn#50847 Author: KentT
Subject: 4673
Posted: 24 December 2018 at 5:53pm

I have the UK Bell/EMI 45. It too is mono. ]]> Mon, 24 Dec 2018 17:53:37 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4673&PID=50847&title=knock-three-times-dawn#50847 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4673&PID=50836&title=knock-three-times-dawn#50836 Author: PopArchivist
Subject: 4673
Posted: 20 December 2018 at 11:15pm

This is one of the cases where the mono is completely forgotten about even though that is what was released in 1971 when it came out. The mono releases of the 1970 and 1971 Billboard hits are clearly overshadowed by their stereo counterparts, which is all anyone knows these days.

You are right about the hiss in the stereo versions as you noted above. I often found it very distracting on what was one of my favorite early 70's tracks.]]> Thu, 20 Dec 2018 23:15:23 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4673&PID=50836&title=knock-three-times-dawn#50836 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4673&PID=50835&title=knock-three-times-dawn#50835 Author: crapfromthepast
Subject: 4673
Posted: 20 December 2018 at 10:14pm

Stereo LP version

I can trace most of the CD masterings to three distinct analog transfers.

The first is on Rhino's Billboard Top R&R Hits 1971 (1989). The sound is good overall, but there's a disturbing lack of hiss and lack of presence in the early portion of the fade - noise reduction, perhaps? The same analog transfer is used on:

• Priority's Seventies Greatest Rock Hits Vol. 9 #1 Hits (1991) - too loud and clips; avoid
• Time-Life's Superhits Vol. 10 1971 (1991) - has L/R channels reversed and fades a little early; avoid
• Time-Life's AM Gold Vol. 6 1971 RE-1 (1991) - has L/R channels reversed and fades a little early; avoid
• Time-Life's 2-CD Singers And Songwriters Vol. 16 1969-1972 (2001) - has L/R channels reversed and fades a little early; avoid
• Time-Life's 2-CD Seventies Music Explosion Vol. 3 Miracles (2005) - has L/R channels reversed and fades a little early; avoid

The second is on Rhino's Best Of (1994). This is an improvement over Billboard. Here, it keeps the same EQ tone to the end of the fade, so there's no evidence of noise reduction. The same analog transfer is used on:

• Varese Sarabande's Bubblegum Classics Vol. 1 (1995)
• Razor & Tie's 2-CD Suddenly '70s (1997)
• Razor & Tie's 2-CD Viva Las Vegas (1997)
• Razor & Tie's 6-CD 70 Number One Hits Of The 70s Vol. 1 (1998)
• Varese Sarabande's 25 All-Time Greatest Bubblegum Hits (2000)
• Razor & Tie's 1-CD Suddenly '70s (2001)
• Madacy's Vintage Pop (2005) - too loud and clips a lot; avoid
• Reader's Digest's 4-CD Time In A Bottle (2006)

Finally, two outliers use a third analog transfer, different from the above two. They don't sound nearly as good as Best Of:

• BR Music Holland's 3-CD Definite 70's Vol. 3 (1997)
• EMI Australia's 5-CD Seventies Complete Vol. 2 (1999)

My recommendation for the stereo LP version: Rhino's Best Of (1994)

Mono 45 version

Your odds of finding the mono 45 version on CD are slim. I have it on exactly one CD: Heartland/Warner Special Products' 2-CD Feel Good Rock (1989). Sound quality is so-so. It's mono, but the balance is a little off. The left and right channels may be a tiny bit out of synch - hard to tell. EQ is a little thin.

I noticed that in Aaron's library, he used only the left channel of Feel Good Rock, copied it to the right channel, boosted the levels by about 4 dB and adjusted the EQ. It's an improvement.

Edited by crapfromthepast]]> Thu, 20 Dec 2018 22:14:38 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4673&PID=50835&title=knock-three-times-dawn#50835 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4673&PID=22758&title=knock-three-times-dawn#22758 Author: Todd Ireland
Subject: 4673
Posted: 29 June 2009 at 2:39pm

Hmmm, that's odd, Indy500... I guess the mix on the K-Tel CD would fall under the "neither the 45 nor LP version" category.]]> Mon, 29 Jun 2009 14:39:58 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4673&PID=22758&title=knock-three-times-dawn#22758 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4673&PID=22756&title=knock-three-times-dawn#22756 Author: Indy500
Subject: 4673
Posted: 29 June 2009 at 2:26pm

The mono K-Tel CD I have is a different mix than a fold-down of the stereo version I tried.]]> Mon, 29 Jun 2009 14:26:34 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4673&PID=22756&title=knock-three-times-dawn#22756 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4673&PID=22749&title=knock-three-times-dawn#22749 Author: Todd Ireland
Subject: 4673
Posted: 29 June 2009 at 1:24pm

Bill Cahill wrote: Yes they are different mixes. On the stereo LP from 1:18 to 1:23 there are horns in one channel. On the single, those horns are completely mixed out. The single also runs at a faster pitch than the original LP version, but most CDs seem to be pitched up to be closer to the single's pitch. The database shows some mono sources which might be the 45 mix, I don't have any of those to check. The mono 45 mix has been issued in Canada on the Club Z Collection, CD Club 701 "Solid Gold 70'Z". I don't know if it's different enough to be a 45 "version" or a "45 mix". Then there's the discussion as to whether or not all stereo issues should read, "LP mix sped up to match 45 pitch". I'll let the judges decide all of that.

I appreciate your analysis on this, Bill! Since the horns you speak of are completely mixed out of the 45 from 1:18-1:23, it looks to me like a 45/LP version distinction needs to be made for CD appearances of "Knock Three Times" in the database. I'd be interested to know if any of the song's mono CD entries consist of the correct 45 mix, or if they're simply fold-downs of the stereo LP version.]]> Mon, 29 Jun 2009 13:24:16 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4673&PID=22749&title=knock-three-times-dawn#22749 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4673&PID=22679&title=knock-three-times-dawn#22679 Author: Indy500
Subject: 4673
Posted: 22 June 2009 at 10:35pm

I hear what you're talking about now. The muted trumpet(?) that doubles the lead vocals remains on the mono version but the answering trombone(?) is not audible on the K-tel cd.

The answering trombone is missing from a similar passage from 2:12 to 2:22 as well.

Edited by Indy500]]> Mon, 22 Jun 2009 22:35:58 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4673&PID=22679&title=knock-three-times-dawn#22679 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4673&PID=22676&title=knock-three-times-dawn#22676 Author: Yah Shure
Subject: 4673
Posted: 22 June 2009 at 5:59pm

I listened very carefully to the mono 45 during that stretch, and there are no horns whatsoever. Could it be that the K-Tel track is a fold-down?]]> Mon, 22 Jun 2009 17:59:56 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4673&PID=22676&title=knock-three-times-dawn#22676 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4673&PID=22675&title=knock-three-times-dawn#22675 Author: Bill Cahill
Subject: 4673
Posted: 22 June 2009 at 5:53pm

Indy, there are actually some horns on both the left and right channels. The ones Yah Sure and I hear mixed out are the louder ones. I think the lower ones on the other channel are still on the mono 45. So I'm not sure which horns you might be hearing in that section. ]]> Mon, 22 Jun 2009 17:53:50 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4673&PID=22675&title=knock-three-times-dawn#22675