https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ Copyright (c) 2006-2013 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Mon, 04 May 2026 14:59:06 +0000 Sat, 01 Jan 2022 16:16:00 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 12.07 360 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=471 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum//images/Top-40-Music-on-CD-Forum-Logo.png https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=471&PID=59932&title=elo-telephone-line#59932 Author: VWestlife
Subject: 471
Posted: 01 January 2022 at 4:16pm

In addition to removing the mock Touch-Tones at the beginning and the repeat of the last chorus, the 45 of "Telephone Line" does have a slight early fade, as it fades out on "I'm living in twi..." instead of completing the phrase.
]]> Sat, 01 Jan 2022 16:16:00 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=471&PID=59932&title=elo-telephone-line#59932 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=471&PID=45850&title=elo-telephone-line#45850 Author: sriv94
Subject: 471
Posted: 07 July 2016 at 4:46pm

Bumping for my own benefit. And for yours too. :)]]> Thu, 07 Jul 2016 16:46:52 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=471&PID=45850&title=elo-telephone-line#45850 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=471&PID=28266&title=elo-telephone-line#28266 Author: KentT
Subject: 471
Posted: 07 November 2010 at 7:41pm

Yes, you could edit the 45 version from the LP. No mix differences on this one! ]]> Sun, 07 Nov 2010 19:41:55 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=471&PID=28266&title=elo-telephone-line#28266 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=471&PID=28260&title=elo-telephone-line#28260 Author: aaronk
Subject: 471
Posted: 07 November 2010 at 9:45am

The Hits Man wrote: Telephone Line: Unless you get a vinyl dub on CD, it does not exist on CD.

I do appreciate you posting the quote from Kevin; I just wanted to clarify that what he was saying did not mean you couldn't create the single from the LP.]]> Sun, 07 Nov 2010 09:45:26 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=471&PID=28260&title=elo-telephone-line#28260 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=471&PID=28259&title=elo-telephone-line#28259 Author: The Hits Man
Subject: 471
Posted: 07 November 2010 at 7:41am

aaronk wrote:     I don't think that's exactly what he was saying, and I think Grant is also mistaken.

Well, what I posted was nothing I wrote. That quote was
all Kevin Gray, they guy who cut the records.]]> Sun, 07 Nov 2010 07:41:45 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=471&PID=28259&title=elo-telephone-line#28259 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=471&PID=28252&title=elo-telephone-line#28252 Author: Yah Shure
Subject: 471
Posted: 06 November 2010 at 2:13pm

Aaron, I also came away with the same interpretation that you did, in that the tape had been made in the same manner as the lacquers and acetates.]]> Sat, 06 Nov 2010 14:13:11 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=471&PID=28252&title=elo-telephone-line#28252 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=471&PID=28249&title=elo-telephone-line#28249 Author: aaronk
Subject: 471
Posted: 06 November 2010 at 12:48pm

Brian W. wrote: Very interesting! Thanks for posting, this, Grant. So if I'm understanding correctly, there is a tape for the single version, but it's actually a disc dub of the acetate?

I don't think that's exactly what he was saying, and I think Grant is also mistaken. The single is an edit of the LP version; however, the LP version on all sources was "mastered" as it was cut, with the telephone effect on the opening vocals.

"We made a tape copy and everything of a
reissue nature has been cut from that dub."

I took this to mean that they also made a tape copy in the same way they made the lacquers, which is what is used on all reissues of the LP/CD copies. That means original pressings of the LP will vary slightly on the intro, since the synchronizing of the two sources was done in real time while cutting each lacquer.

I've never heard any version of "Telephone Line" that does not have the telephone effect on the opening vocal, which is apparently how it exists on the master tape.

Edited by aaronk]]> Sat, 06 Nov 2010 12:48:18 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=471&PID=28249&title=elo-telephone-line#28249 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=471&PID=28248&title=elo-telephone-line#28248 Author: Brian W.
Subject: 471
Posted: 06 November 2010 at 10:30am

Very interesting! Thanks for posting, this, Grant. So if I'm understanding correctly, there is a tape for the single version, but it's actually a disc dub of the acetate?]]> Sat, 06 Nov 2010 10:30:14 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=471&PID=28248&title=elo-telephone-line#28248 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=471&PID=28243&title=elo-telephone-line#28243 Author: Yah Shure
Subject: 471
Posted: 05 November 2010 at 11:18pm

The Hits Man wrote: Kevin Gray said: "I still remember having sweaty palms every time I cut an acetate on that side. We made a tape copy and everything of a reissue nature has been cut from that dub."

Grant, thanks for re-posting Kevin's notes. Very interesting! I still have a copy of that Artisan acetate and will give it a listen.]]> Fri, 05 Nov 2010 23:18:26 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=471&PID=28243&title=elo-telephone-line#28243 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=471&PID=28242&title=elo-telephone-line#28242 Author: The Hits Man
Subject: 471
Posted: 05 November 2010 at 9:59pm

Telephone Line: Unless you get a vinyl dub on CD,
it does not exist on CD. Here's the explanation from
Kevin Gray, thee guy who cut the album and single in
1977.

http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/showthread.php?
t=19248&highlight=telephone+line

Hi Gang, Steve and I were returning from lunch today and “Living Thing” by ELO started playing on my car radio. I said to Steve, “Now that was a crazy mastering session! Would you believe we did a vocal overdub before we cut it?” After I told Steve the story he suggested I write it up for the forum, so here goes. On a Friday afternoon Dino Lapis from UA Records called Artisan Sound, where I worked at the time, and said that ELO needed to master their new album (New World Record) but needed to do a vocal overdub first. Artisan Sound had just finished its second mastering room and was in the process of building a mix-down room. But it wasn’t finished yet. Bob MacLeod, owner of Artisan, suggested doing the overdub to two track and splicing just the overdubbed sections back into the original master. Jeff Lynne actually preferred this idea to re-mixing, as he was quite happy with his original mix overall. So on Saturady morning Jeff Lynne came into Artisan and sang the vocals for the lines in "Livin' Thing" “I’m takin’ a dive” and “I’m takin’, I’m takin’ ” and Bob MacLeod recorded the “micro” session. This is how it was done: Jeff Lynne listened to his original mix with headphones. The mix was played back through 2 line inputs,panned hard left and right,on a portable Electrodyne mixer and a Neumann U-87 mic was plugged into a mic input panned to center. The output of the mixer fed a second Studer A-80 two-track recorder. Jeff's voice along with original mix were fed to the new tape. When finished, just the sections with the added vocal were spliced back into the original mix. Clever eh? It was a little more difficult than it sounds. Also, getting the level of Jeff’s voice right in the mix took a few trial passes, but if I recall correctly, I think he did the actual take of each line in one pass. ...Two or three at most. Bob and I both worked on the mastering. I cut all the final lacquers, and there were lots! ...Maybe 16 sets for the US and the world. One other tidbit... The telephone effect on “Telephone Line” was actually done by me in mastering. It is NOT on the master tape that way! Jeff for some reason didn’t think about it ‘til mastering. He asked if I could do a "telephone effect". We took a ”ton” of bass out and put a “ton” of midrange in one Sontec EQ (to give the exaggerated telephone feel), then set a second Sontec up with the EQ for the rest of the song. Then I did a long, slow cross-fade between the 2 Eqs in real time as I cut each lacquer. ...a little tricky. I still remember having sweaty palms every time I cut an acetate on that side. We made a tape copy and everything of a reissue nature has been cut from that dub. This is why so many reissues get cut from tape copies. (Even some first releases!) BUT not from Steve and me! Best to all, Kev

Living Thing: As far as I know, the actual 45 edit
does not appear on CD. I made a nice needledrop of the
45.

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