https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ Copyright (c) 2006-2013 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Mon, 27 Apr 2026 08:12:20 +0000 Wed, 16 Sep 2009 21:48:29 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 12.07 360 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=4841 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum//images/Top-40-Music-on-CD-Forum-Logo.png https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4841&PID=23808&title=shambala-three-dog-night#23808 Author: Todd Ireland
Subject: 4841
Posted: 16 September 2009 at 9:48pm

crapfromthepast wrote: Nothing good has ever come of the (E) designation...

Agreed. I never seek out anything in electronically re-channeled stereo. Not a fan of it at all.]]> Wed, 16 Sep 2009 21:48:29 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4841&PID=23808&title=shambala-three-dog-night#23808 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4841&PID=23803&title=shambala-three-dog-night#23803 Author: crapfromthepast
Subject: 4841
Posted: 16 September 2009 at 7:32pm

I'd always wondered what the deal was, with two versions of the song hitting the charts within a week or two of each other - thanks, all, for the story! The B.W. Stevenson version really isn't bad, either - it sounds just like "My Maria"!

I noticed that Rock On 1973 has the mono version, and that it sounds WAY better than the cruddy (E) version on Time-Life's Sounds Of The Seventies - 1973 Take Two. I don't use the phrase "night and day" often, but it's completely warranted here.

Nothing good has ever come of the (E) designation...

Edited by crapfromthepast]]> Wed, 16 Sep 2009 19:32:18 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4841&PID=23803&title=shambala-three-dog-night#23803 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4841&PID=23802&title=shambala-three-dog-night#23802 Author: AndrewChouffi
Subject: 4841
Posted: 16 September 2009 at 6:07pm

To Citizen, et al.:

The version that you (and I) are talking about is the one on O.S.T. 'Drowning Mona'!

I recently bought a copy of it to check.

Andy]]> Wed, 16 Sep 2009 18:07:55 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4841&PID=23802&title=shambala-three-dog-night#23802 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4841&PID=23798&title=shambala-three-dog-night#23798 Author: Citizen
Subject: 4841
Posted: 16 September 2009 at 8:30am

AndrewChouffi wrote: There was even an earlier alternate mono mix that leaked out there; I have no idea if if leaked on tape dub, acetate, promo, or select commercial releases (but I have a dub of it).

I heard that on a May 1973 aircheck of WRKO in Boston. The main difference is that the short instrumental break prior to the third verse doesn't contain the guitar solo that became familiar on the commercial version.]]> Wed, 16 Sep 2009 08:30:37 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4841&PID=23798&title=shambala-three-dog-night#23798 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4841&PID=21974&title=shambala-three-dog-night#21974 Author: Gary Mack
Subject: 4841
Posted: 16 April 2009 at 5:28am

I wrote this for BSN some time ago and have updated it here:

B.W. Stevenson recorded Shambala first, then Three Dog Night did a very rushed version and ABC/Dunhill raced all over the country delivering advance copies to key top 40 stations. Ours arrived at KRUX/Phoenix an hour or so after I got off the air at 2am - and we added it to our playlist a few hours later. That's still one of the classic "hustle" stories in the record promotion biz.

GM]]> Thu, 16 Apr 2009 05:28:56 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4841&PID=21974&title=shambala-three-dog-night#21974 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4841&PID=21972&title=shambala-three-dog-night#21972 Author: Yah Shure
Subject: 4841
Posted: 15 April 2009 at 8:58pm

In comparing the "stereo" and mono sides of my DJ 45, they're both straight mono, and run an identical 3:26. The difference is that the mono side is more compressed, and is cut about 28% louder than the "stereo" side.

The story, at least according to the liner notes from the Celebrate CD:

Cory Wells: "That one had all kinds of repercussions. An unethical song pitcher pitches me the tune, and I tell him to freeze it. He takes it to B.W. Stevenson. You see, people wanted to know what we were gonna do so they could beat us out."

Chuck Negron: "Cory and I had a big fight, because I didn't want to put it out as a single. I said, 'You are letting RCA, who had Stevenson, decide our next single' instead of releasing the album and letting radio and the public decide."

Richie Podolor (producer): "We had two days to do it. Michael (Allsup) did one overdub, but I ended up playing seven guitar parts because not everybody was available. It was such a rush-rush thing. We used helicopters to fly out acetates to DJs to get that going. We didn't have it pressed, and we were reviewed and we had a hit with it, just hand-carrying it to stations."


There's more drama there than on your average daytime soap! :) It must've been fun north of the border, where Dunhill was distributed by RCA. ]]> Wed, 15 Apr 2009 20:58:15 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4841&PID=21972&title=shambala-three-dog-night#21972 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4841&PID=21966&title=shambala-three-dog-night#21966 Author: Bill Cahill
Subject: 4841
Posted: 15 April 2009 at 4:20am

Well, on my copy it's hard to tell if it's re-channeled at all. I think I notice a hint of the bass being boosted slightly for one channel. But it might just be mono, just slightly off to the right. Or I'm just hearing wear. It certainly isn't the duophonic type effect heard on the LP. ]]> Wed, 15 Apr 2009 04:20:30 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4841&PID=21966&title=shambala-three-dog-night#21966 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4841&PID=21965&title=shambala-three-dog-night#21965 Author: AndrewChouffi
Subject: 4841
Posted: 14 April 2009 at 9:54pm

There was even an earlier alternate mono mix that leaked out there; I have no idea if if leaked on tape dub, acetate, promo, or select commercial releases (but I have a dub of it).

Andy

By the way, Bill, what kind of rechannelling was used on the promo? Was it Orban Stereo Synthesizer sounding, reverb-added, or what?]]> Tue, 14 Apr 2009 21:54:45 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4841&PID=21965&title=shambala-three-dog-night#21965 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4841&PID=21963&title=shambala-three-dog-night#21963 Author: jimct
Subject: 4841
Posted: 14 April 2009 at 4:47pm

The writer of "Shambala", Daniel Moore, was a close friend of RCA artist B.W. Stevenson, who both knew of and recorded "Shambala" first. His 45 version debuted on the Hot 100 on 5/12/73, one week before 3 Dog Night's version did on 5/19/73. Dunhill/ABC knew that EVERY day Stevenson's version was out there on 45, and Cory's/Danny's/Chuck's version wasn't yet, that the "Dogs" could lose out on the hit. I read somewhere, years ago, that the "Shambala" effort may have been the biggest "rush release" in the label's history. Once they had the all-important mono 45 mix completed, they just "faked" a stereo version for the other side of the DJ 45, just to get copies into radio's hands absolutely ASAP.]]> Tue, 14 Apr 2009 16:47:52 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4841&PID=21963&title=shambala-three-dog-night#21963 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4841&PID=21960&title=shambala-three-dog-night#21960 Author: Bill Cahill
Subject: 4841
Posted: 13 April 2009 at 7:17pm

Yes, the original stock 45 was mono. DJ copies had a stereo side but it was electronic stereo, different process than the electronic stereo used on the LP. I have always heard they were in such a hurry to release it that they never mixed it to real stereo. ]]> Mon, 13 Apr 2009 19:17:31 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4841&PID=21960&title=shambala-three-dog-night#21960