https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ Copyright (c) 2006-2013 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Mon, 04 May 2026 11:08:55 +0000 Fri, 18 Mar 2022 14:37:57 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 12.07 360 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=4979 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum//images/Top-40-Music-on-CD-Forum-Logo.png https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4979&PID=60494&title=always-and-forever-heatwave#60494 Author: LunarLaugh
Subject: 4979
Posted: 18 March 2022 at 2:37pm

Hey all. What are the edit points to re-create the 45 edit
using the long LP version?]]> Fri, 18 Mar 2022 14:37:57 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4979&PID=60494&title=always-and-forever-heatwave#60494 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4979&PID=33252&title=always-and-forever-heatwave#33252 Author: jono
Subject: 4979
Posted: 13 March 2012 at 2:07pm

Thank you, Jim, for sharing this info you found. I'm glad I kept my "Didn't It Blow Your Mind" series even after I'd bought the "Can You Dig It?" box.

I couldn't have said it better than you regarding Bill Inglot. Just seeing his name on the credits of a cd almost always made it worth purchasing.

Jon O.]]> Tue, 13 Mar 2012 14:07:31 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4979&PID=33252&title=always-and-forever-heatwave#33252 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4979&PID=33251&title=always-and-forever-heatwave#33251 Author: prisdeej
Subject: 4979
Posted: 13 March 2012 at 12:10pm

The version used on TM Century's GoldDisc3 is incorrect as well, but
this doesn't surprise me. ]]> Tue, 13 Mar 2012 12:10:14 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4979&PID=33251&title=always-and-forever-heatwave#33251 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4979&PID=33249&title=always-and-forever-heatwave#33249 Author: The Hits Man
Subject: 4979
Posted: 13 March 2012 at 7:38am

jimct wrote: Grant, if you must know, my old college roommate in CT later went on to spend many years in Cali working for Rhino; we kept in touch. Furthermore, another long-time friend of mine had regularly corresponded with Inglot during his Rhino years, and he'd kindly shared the gist of what they'd discussed with me, as a fellow interested audiophile. How many folks in Inglot's position at the time would've both read, and then personally taken the time to reply to an individual consumer, addressing both his compliments/complaints of his work, on more than one occasion? Very few, I'd say. Grant, are your sources both multiple, and as close to the Rhino/Inglot situation at the time as mine? Hmmm.... Yes, there were massive firings when WB first bought out Rhino. It happened, and was/is fairly common industry knowledge. To me, your reply sounds like you were sitting in on Mr. Inglot's annual Rhino performance reviews (which I have my doubts about) to speak with such confidence about his dismissal. Grant, it is clear that you are not a fan of Bill Inglot's work, and you are certainly entitled to your opinion. The late 80's/early 90's were chock full of audio issues for him, during construction of the Have A Nice Day/Soul Hits Of The 70's V/A CD series. I won't bore you, but you'd be amazed to discover that when Inglot asked many of the licensees for the "best available quality 45 version master" for an old hit song, it was like he was speaking Portugese! He often initially got LP versions, alternate versions, wrong edits, or hissy, late-generation dubs instead. Follow-up calls to these "middlemen" were the norm. And all while having to work within Rhino's "we've scheduled the CD's release date for xx/xx, so let's please hurry it up on Vol. xx, Bill!" Can you say "rock and a hard place?" Yes, some errors do appear on his work, but I always admired his overall efforts, then and now. I truly believe no human being could've done a better job with them than him on those series, given the numerous roadblocks/time constraints he was under. The "Always And Forever" example (this thread) is just another example of his good work. His successors at Rhino weren't even smart enough to re- cycle his correct 45 version for their "Can You Dig It?" box; instead, they replaced his correct version with their own incorrect version. You can keep these new guys, Grant, OK! Inglot wasn't perfect, but I'd welcome him back in my "oldies audio trenches" anytime!

Well, first of all, you can tone down your patronizing
tone.

Second, you assume wrong. I have always been a fan of
Inglot's work. If I wasn't, I wouldn't have bought
almost anything with his name on it. His name meant
quality. And, I am well aware of his, what was once
described as "pestering" the vault people for the correct
tapes. This is why he has gotten things wrong on CDs, because he had deadlines and other pressures to get the
job done. In other words, he cared, when when it was not
the corporate way to care.]]> Tue, 13 Mar 2012 07:38:39 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4979&PID=33249&title=always-and-forever-heatwave#33249 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4979&PID=33247&title=always-and-forever-heatwave#33247 Author: jimct
Subject: 4979
Posted: 13 March 2012 at 3:35am

Grant, if you must know, my old college roommate in CT later went on to
spend many years in Cali working for Rhino; we kept in touch.
Furthermore, another long-time friend of mine had regularly
corresponded with Inglot during his Rhino years, and he'd kindly shared
the gist of what they'd discussed with me, as a fellow interested
audiophile. How many folks in Inglot's position at the time would've both
read, and then personally taken the time to reply to an individual
consumer, addressing both his compliments/complaints of his work, on
more than one occasion? Very few, I'd say. Grant, are your sources both
multiple, and as close to the Rhino/Inglot situation at the time as mine?
Hmmm.... Yes, there were massive firings when WB first bought out Rhino.
It happened, and was/is fairly common industry knowledge. To me, your
reply sounds like you were sitting in on Mr. Inglot's annual Rhino
performance reviews (which I have my doubts about) to speak with such
confidence about his dismissal. Grant, it is clear that you are not a fan of
Bill Inglot's work, and you are certainly entitled to your opinion. The late
80's/early 90's were chock full of audio issues for him, during
construction of the Have A Nice Day/Soul Hits Of The 70's V/A CD series. I
won't bore you, but you'd be amazed to discover that when Inglot asked
many of the licensees for the "best available quality 45 version master" for
an old hit song, it was like he was speaking Portugese! He often initially
got LP versions, alternate versions, wrong edits, or hissy, late-generation
dubs instead. Follow-up calls to these "middlemen" were the norm. And
all while having to work within Rhino's "we've scheduled the CD's release
date for xx/xx, so let's please hurry it up on Vol. xx, Bill!" Can you say
"rock and a hard place?" Yes, some errors do appear on his work, but I
always admired his overall efforts, then and now. I truly believe no human
being could've done a better job with them than him on those series,
given the numerous roadblocks/time constraints he was under. The
"Always And Forever" example (this thread) is just another example of his
good work. His successors at Rhino weren't even smart enough to re-
cycle his correct 45 version for their "Can You Dig It?" box; instead, they
replaced his correct version with their own incorrect version. You can keep
these new guys, Grant, OK! Inglot wasn't perfect, but I'd welcome him
back in my "oldies audio trenches" anytime!]]> Tue, 13 Mar 2012 03:35:11 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4979&PID=33247&title=always-and-forever-heatwave#33247 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4979&PID=33244&title=always-and-forever-heatwave#33244 Author: The Hits Man
Subject: 4979
Posted: 12 March 2012 at 11:31pm

I understand Inglot got canned along with hundreds of
others when Warner did their blood-letting, not because of
his obsessiveness with detail. Besides, Bill has gotten a
LOT of things wrong on the many CDs he had done for Rhino.]]> Mon, 12 Mar 2012 23:31:15 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4979&PID=33244&title=always-and-forever-heatwave#33244 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4979&PID=33243&title=always-and-forever-heatwave#33243 Author: aaronk
Subject: 4979
Posted: 12 March 2012 at 9:03pm

Thank you, Jim, for confirming that the Can You Dig It box set has a bogus edit. I think there are a couple other database CDs that run 3:38, so those may be incorrect, too.]]> Mon, 12 Mar 2012 21:03:38 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4979&PID=33243&title=always-and-forever-heatwave#33243 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4979&PID=33237&title=always-and-forever-heatwave#33237 Author: jimct
Subject: 4979
Posted: 12 March 2012 at 12:15pm

Aaron, I just pulled out my 1978 stock 45, listened at the 1:25-ish mark, and
he sings "I'll always love you", and then nothing. After a brief interlude of
music, the next verse of vocal resumes with "there'll always be sunshine". I
just popped in my "Didn't It Blow Your MInd, Vol. 19" CD (the older of the
two CDs, produced by Bill Inglot), and it sounds just like my 45 at that point.
I heard Rhino canned Inglot some years ago for "paying too much attention
to detail". Apparently, this "we don't care" philosophy bit 'em in the butt on
the post-Inglot-era "Can You Dig It" box!   ]]> Mon, 12 Mar 2012 12:15:13 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4979&PID=33237&title=always-and-forever-heatwave#33237 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4979&PID=33236&title=always-and-forever-heatwave#33236 Author: aaronk
Subject: 4979
Posted: 12 March 2012 at 11:18am

The reason that times range on CD is because there are two different edits! So, we either have two different 45 versions, or we have one version on CD that is not correct.

The first edit appears on "Didn't It Blow Your Mind Vol. 19" and the other edit is on "Can You Dig It (Box Set)."

They are the same up until the 1:28 mark.

Edit #1 lyrics at 1:25ish
I'll always love you
There'll always be sunshine

Edit #2 lyrics at same place
I'll always love you
Forever

There is a definite edit at 1:28 on the first version, whereas the second version has the edit at 1:38. This is what accounts for the timing difference. The rest of the song is the same from that point forward.

Which one is correct?]]> Mon, 12 Mar 2012 11:18:41 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4979&PID=33236&title=always-and-forever-heatwave#33236 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4979&PID=22470&title=always-and-forever-heatwave#22470 Author: Todd Ireland
Subject: 4979
Posted: 03 June 2009 at 2:42pm

The actual commercial 45 run time of Heatwave's "Always and Forever" is 3:31. (Thanks to Jim for providing the timing info. The printed record label time is 3:32.) Currently, database CDs of this song containing a "45 version" comment range from 3:29-3:39.]]> Wed, 03 Jun 2009 14:42:47 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4979&PID=22470&title=always-and-forever-heatwave#22470