https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ Copyright (c) 2006-2013 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Tue, 05 May 2026 21:30:07 +0000 Sun, 12 Jul 2009 12:05:55 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 12.07 360 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=5028 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum//images/Top-40-Music-on-CD-Forum-Logo.png https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5028&PID=22904&title=michael-jackson-wanna-be-startin#22904 Author: edtop40
Subject: 5028
Posted: 12 July 2009 at 12:05pm

also.....pat.....the vinyl 45's face states the run time as 4:15 but it actually runs 4:19]]> Sun, 12 Jul 2009 12:05:55 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5028&PID=22904&title=michael-jackson-wanna-be-startin#22904 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5028&PID=22887&title=michael-jackson-wanna-be-startin#22887 Author: Roscoe
Subject: 5028
Posted: 10 July 2009 at 11:21am

Nick2341 wrote: Roscoe wrote: A frustrating situation. If only they hadn't applied so much digital compression to boost the levels on the King Of Pop CD. But virtually all the MJ reissues and comps have used a similar mastering style, with the exception of the Thriller SACD. I don't think much multiband compression was used in this case, but all of the songs clip (except for disc 3 in the UK set). For some songs, the distortion isn't noticeable, but others it's bad. I think WBSS is one where it's not so bad even though it is pretty loud.

Yes, it's not distortion or clipping that's the problem...they just squashed the dynamic range to boost the volume. It's just too loud.

As an aside, I ended up reverting back to my old needledrop of the 45 for WBSS. The King of Pop CD is too loud as noted, and there are too many small differences to stitch together the 45 version from the 12 Inch Mixes CD.

Maybe with the renewed interest in MJ's music there may be a market for a "Complete Singles Collection" release, utilizing all the true 45 versions from the master tapes. If such a collection were mastered well, I would definitely buy it.]]> Fri, 10 Jul 2009 11:21:37 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5028&PID=22887&title=michael-jackson-wanna-be-startin#22887 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5028&PID=22885&title=michael-jackson-wanna-be-startin#22885 Author: Nick2341
Subject: 5028
Posted: 10 July 2009 at 11:07am

Roscoe wrote: A frustrating situation. If only they hadn't applied so much digital compression to boost the levels on the King Of Pop CD. But virtually all the MJ reissues and comps have used a similar mastering style, with the exception of the Thriller SACD.

I don't think much multiband compression was used in this case, but all of the songs clip (except for disc 3 in the UK set). For some songs, the distortion isn't noticeable, but others it's bad. I think WBSS is one where it's not so bad even though it is pretty loud.]]> Fri, 10 Jul 2009 11:07:30 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5028&PID=22885&title=michael-jackson-wanna-be-startin#22885 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5028&PID=22884&title=michael-jackson-wanna-be-startin#22884 Author: aaronk
Subject: 5028
Posted: 10 July 2009 at 7:14am

Roscoe wrote: I think I might hear a small difference on the very next line ("too low to get under"), though. On the 45, it sounds like this line may start with a very brief, faint "your" (i.e. "your too low to get under"). Is it possible that the vocal difference that you refer to is on this line?

Thanks for refreshing my memory. Yes, it's on the line "too low to get under," not the one I mentioned previously. And you are right that there are some differences in the loudness of some of the percussion and other elements, although the differences are very small.]]> Fri, 10 Jul 2009 07:14:11 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5028&PID=22884&title=michael-jackson-wanna-be-startin#22884 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5028&PID=22883&title=michael-jackson-wanna-be-startin#22883 Author: Roscoe
Subject: 5028
Posted: 09 July 2009 at 7:12pm

aaronk wrote: Roscoe wrote: The best of both worlds may be the 12" version, which basically uses the same mix as the 45 (except for that small difference on the "Billie Jean is always talking" line), but runs even longer. I'm pretty sure the 12" version is also a unique mix, slightly different than both the 45 and LP mixes. For instance, during the opening chorus, it was noted by Brian that one of the lines ("you're too high to get over") is a different sing. Also, when editing down the 12" to match the 45, they don't sync up exactly.

I recall that earlier thread and I have relistened to the various versions again. I can't hear any difference in the vocal on that particular line between the LP, 12" and 45 versions. It sounds like "ta high to get over" on all three. I think I might hear a small difference on the very next line ("too low to get under"), though. On the 45, it sounds like this line may start with a very brief, faint "your" (i.e. "your too low to get under"). Is it possible that the vocal difference that you refer to is on this line?

Very nitpicky, to be sure, but I'm trying to recreate the 45 from the best possible sources because I absolutely hate the mastering on the "King Of Pop" import.   The best sounding version that is closest to the 45 mix is the "12 Inch Mixes" CD. However, I did discover another mix difference between the 12" and 45: on the lines in question, there is a click percussion effect that is much louder in the mix on the 12" than the 45.

A frustrating situation. If only they hadn't applied so much digital compression to boost the levels on the King Of Pop CD. But virtually all the MJ reissues and comps have used a similar mastering style, with the exception of the Thriller SACD.

It would be interesting to hear the story about how these small differences arose between the 45 and 12", since I would have assumed they were created in the same mixing session. But we'll probably never know.]]> Thu, 09 Jul 2009 19:12:20 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5028&PID=22883&title=michael-jackson-wanna-be-startin#22883 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5028&PID=22876&title=michael-jackson-wanna-be-startin#22876 Author: Nick2341
Subject: 5028
Posted: 08 July 2009 at 10:46pm

The (proper) single version is only on King Of Pop.]]> Wed, 08 Jul 2009 22:46:07 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5028&PID=22876&title=michael-jackson-wanna-be-startin#22876 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5028&PID=22875&title=michael-jackson-wanna-be-startin#22875 Author: chendagam
Subject: 5028
Posted: 08 July 2009 at 9:21pm

So it doesn't matter which edition of "king of pop" we buy...UK or Australia? What about the "ultimate collection??"

Edited by chendagam]]> Wed, 08 Jul 2009 21:21:59 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5028&PID=22875&title=michael-jackson-wanna-be-startin#22875 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5028&PID=22872&title=michael-jackson-wanna-be-startin#22872 Author: aaronk
Subject: 5028
Posted: 08 July 2009 at 9:46am

Roscoe wrote: The best of both worlds may be the 12" version, which basically uses the same mix as the 45 (except for that small difference on the "Billie Jean is always talking" line), but runs even longer.

I'm pretty sure the 12" version is also a unique mix, slightly different than both the 45 and LP mixes. For instance, during the opening chorus, it was noted by Brian that one of the lines ("you're too high to get over") is a different sing. Also, when editing down the 12" to match the 45, they don't sync up exactly.]]> Wed, 08 Jul 2009 09:46:46 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5028&PID=22872&title=michael-jackson-wanna-be-startin#22872 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5028&PID=22871&title=michael-jackson-wanna-be-startin#22871 Author: Roscoe
Subject: 5028
Posted: 08 July 2009 at 9:08am

budaniel wrote: why would anyone want to listen to an edit of one of Michael Jackson's best jams ever??? Every time I hear this song on the radio, it drives me crazy that so much of the song is cut out!!!

For some, the longer LP version may be too much of a good thing. Also, the 45 mix is slightly better than the LP mix, IMO, because of little touches like the way the "you're a vegetable" line jumps out.

The best of both worlds may be the 12" version, which basically uses the same mix as the 45 (except for that small difference on the "Billie Jean is always talking" line), but runs even longer.]]> Wed, 08 Jul 2009 09:08:51 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5028&PID=22871&title=michael-jackson-wanna-be-startin#22871 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5028&PID=22870&title=michael-jackson-wanna-be-startin#22870 Author: Nick2341
Subject: 5028
Posted: 08 July 2009 at 8:32am

edtop40 wrote: is there any "king of pop" cd that has better sound quality than others?

Nope. They're all the same masters.]]> Wed, 08 Jul 2009 08:32:13 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5028&PID=22870&title=michael-jackson-wanna-be-startin#22870