https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ Copyright (c) 2006-2013 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Mon, 04 May 2026 17:43:59 +0000 Sat, 01 Jan 2022 12:34:24 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 12.07 360 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=517 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum//images/Top-40-Music-on-CD-Forum-Logo.png https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=517&PID=59930&title=eddie-cochran-summertime-blues#59930 Author: AdvprosD
Subject: 517
Posted: 01 January 2022 at 12:34pm

crapfromthepast wrote: I agree with Yah Shure's recommendation completely - Rhino's Lil' Bit Of Gold (Rhino R3 73005, 1988) sounds great. If you find them for less $, the two Time-Life discs sound just as good for this track, but be sure you get the RE-2 reissue of Rock 'N' Roll Era Vol. 5 1958, not the RE-1 reissue or the original pressing.

I took a look on the shelf last night and discovered I have two of the Time-Life Rock n Roll era 1958 CDs. One is RE-1, the other is RE-2. Now I have something to do
on New Year's day besides feeding my face and drinking tea. ]]> Sat, 01 Jan 2022 12:34:24 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=517&PID=59930&title=eddie-cochran-summertime-blues#59930 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=517&PID=59923&title=eddie-cochran-summertime-blues#59923 Author: TimNeely
Subject: 517
Posted: 31 December 2021 at 6:42am

I'm kind of the opposite of most people in
this thread. To me, the no-echo, no-fade
version is the correct version; the echoed
vocals always sounded weird to me. That's
probably because my original 45, F-55144,
is the "dry" mix. I got my 45 used in the
1970s. It matches exactly the EMI Legends
of Rock 'n' Roll CD version, which I also
have.

The trail-off of my 45 is 45-LB-0859-1
(etched) C1 (stamped).

It appears as if four pressing plants made
original 45 rpm copies of "Summertime
Blues":
-- RCA Rockaway, NJ
-- RCA Indianapolis, IN
-- RCA Hollywood, CA
-- Monarch (delta numbers in trail-off)

(It also was pressed on 78, but I don't
know much about that.)

It seems as if the copies from RCA
Rockaway, which were distributed in the
Northeast U S. where I grew up, have the
no-fade, no-echo version. The 45s from the
other three plants have the echoed, early-
fade version. One way to distinguish the
Rockaway version is that "Vocal With
Orchestra" is on the left side of
the label. The Indianapolis version has
"Voc. With Orch." on the right side
of the label, and the West Coast copies
have "Vocal With Orchestra" on the
right side of the label.]]> Fri, 31 Dec 2021 06:42:59 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=517&PID=59923&title=eddie-cochran-summertime-blues#59923 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=517&PID=59830&title=eddie-cochran-summertime-blues#59830 Author: crapfromthepast
Subject: 517
Posted: 21 December 2021 at 8:16am

Mark - You are 100% correct. I edited my post above to reflect the correct info.

The credits of the 1991 CD state: "Track remixed by Ron Furmanek, Bob Norberg, Kevin Reeves, and Larry Walsh." "This compilation was mastered from the original studio session tapes. Full track mono, 2-track stereo, and 3 & 4 track masters." Most of the songs on this disc are labeled as "ADD", so those are likely the ones that are remixed. Some are listed as stereo "AAD", so I assume those are the original mixes and in stereo. A handful of songs, including "Summertime Blues", are listed as being mono "AAD", which is likely the original mixes in mono.

And in the spirit of "hiding in plain sight", there's a YouTube video if the 45 being played. The audio isn't great, but it's good enough to tell the absence of echo on the response vocals and the cold ending.

Thanks for setting me straight!]]> Tue, 21 Dec 2021 08:16:23 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=517&PID=59830&title=eddie-cochran-summertime-blues#59830 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=517&PID=59827&title=eddie-cochran-summertime-blues#59827 Author: MMathews
Subject: 517
Posted: 20 December 2021 at 10:13pm

Ron,

You missed a few things. As you'll see above Ed's
original 45 with green label does not have the echo on
the boss' voice and ends cold.

Ron Furmanek did NOT remix this track. There were NO
multi-tracks for this song. What Ron put out was the 1st
generation mono master which had no echo and had the cold
end. Obviously this original mono made it on to some
commercial pressings. We must not forget Ed's stock 45
(dead wax posted above).

The later with-echo, faded 45 I assume was the 2nd
pressing since the echo effects were added to it. I also
assume the with-echo 2nd pressing is the "hit" and more
common since THAT was the version I always got on vinyl
V/A comps back in the day. But both versions made it to
stock 45s.

MM ]]> Mon, 20 Dec 2021 22:13:36 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=517&PID=59827&title=eddie-cochran-summertime-blues#59827 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=517&PID=59826&title=eddie-cochran-summertime-blues#59826 Author: crapfromthepast
Subject: 517
Posted: 20 December 2021 at 9:26pm

The version that came out in 1958 was mono, had a faint opening guitar strum before the first downbeat, had echo on the boss's vocals (from 0:26 to 0:28, 0:58 to 1:00, and 1:30 to 1:33), and faded out. EDIT - This is the hit version. Some pressings of the 45 included a slightly different mix, detailed below.

Some of the early CDs (and a later one) lopped off the opening guitar strum:

• Original Sound's Oldies But Goodies Vol. 8 (1986) - also has noise reduction; avoid
• Time-Life's Rock 'N' Roll Era Vol. 5 1958 RE-1 reissue (1987)
• Warner Special Products' 2-CD Bop (1989) - same analog transfer as above Time-Life disc
• Disky (Europe)'s 10-CD set The Beat Goes On Disc 6 (1997)

Rhino got it exactly right on the US commercial CD3 single Lil' Bit Of Gold (Rhino R3 73005, 1988). Sterling sound, too, with a small amount of pleasing hiss on the fade. The same analog transfer is used on:

• Time-Life's History Of Rock 'N' Roll Vol. 1 Rock 'N' Roll Classics 1957-1959 (1992)
• Time-Life's Rock 'N' Roll Era Vol. 5 1958 RE-2 reissue (1992)

Finally, there's a slightly different mix that appeared on relatively few pressings of the 45 (it's not a 1991 remix by Ron Furmanek, Bob Norberg, Kevin Reeves, and Larry Walsh). This alternate mix first appeared on CD on the multi-artist compilation EMI Legends Of Rock N' Roll Series (24 Greatest Hits Of All Time) (1991). This mix includes the opening guitar strum, but differs from the hit version in two respects:

1. It lacks the echo on the boss's vocals (from 0:26 to 0:28, 0:58 to 1:00, and 1:30 to 1:33).
2. It extends out to a cold ending. It's only about 4 beats longer than the end of the fade on the 45. Not much interesting happens; the band just stops playing on a downbeat.

All the versions with a cold ending are this alternate mix. It also appears on:

• Razor & Tie's 2-CD Heroes Of Rock And Roll (1995)
• Rhino's Loud Fast And Out Of Control (1999), with extra dialogue at the beginning of the track
• Realm's 3-CD Summertime Party Pack (2002)

My recommendation

I agree with Yah Shure's recommendation completely - Rhino's Lil' Bit Of Gold (Rhino R3 73005, 1988) sounds great. If you find them for less $, the two Time-Life discs sound just as good for this track, but be sure you get the RE-2 reissue of Rock 'N' Roll Era Vol. 5 1958, not the RE-1 reissue or the original pressing.

Edited by crapfromthepast]]> Mon, 20 Dec 2021 21:26:16 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=517&PID=59826&title=eddie-cochran-summertime-blues#59826 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=517&PID=59811&title=eddie-cochran-summertime-blues#59811 Author: PopArchivist
Subject: 517
Posted: 18 December 2021 at 4:05pm

I appear to have only one of these 45 versions, the first one from Glory Days of Rock N Roll - Rockability which fades out and has the echo.

I am unable to find the second of these 45 versions that is the cold ending. I do however have Eric Records DES stereo version from their release that has the cold ending.

Anyone know where the correct second 45 version is on CD, or did it never get there completely intact? Pat's database does not correctly label which is the 45 version(s) and which are not.]]> Sat, 18 Dec 2021 16:05:26 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=517&PID=59811&title=eddie-cochran-summertime-blues#59811 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=517&PID=50563&title=eddie-cochran-summertime-blues#50563 Author: PopArchivist
Subject: 517
Posted: 14 November 2018 at 5:42pm

As I was assembling 1958 I was not aware of this issue with the "reverb" "fade" and "no reverb" "no fade" versions. After also consulting numerous sources and someone who collects numerous 45's they indicated that Yah Shure's go to source is the correct 45 version.

I have also listened to the Rhino Lil' Bit Of Gold Sampler 3-inch promo CD for this track. It includes the opening guitar strum, the reverb and the faded ending like Yah Shure said.

45 versions on youtube all include the echo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blTAxMaKRfU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehBsIWdT4Zo



Edited by PopArchivist]]> Wed, 14 Nov 2018 17:42:50 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=517&PID=50563&title=eddie-cochran-summertime-blues#50563 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=517&PID=36608&title=eddie-cochran-summertime-blues#36608 Author: edtop40
Subject: 517
Posted: 05 February 2013 at 6:38pm

yes...sorry....the label is green NOT the vinyl....]]> Tue, 05 Feb 2013 18:38:25 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=517&PID=36608&title=eddie-cochran-summertime-blues#36608 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=517&PID=36605&title=eddie-cochran-summertime-blues#36605 Author: TomDiehl1
Subject: 517
Posted: 05 February 2013 at 5:25pm

edtop40 wrote: mark.....i can't imagine my vinyl 45 is so rare...but.....the run-out groove info is etched '45-LB- 0859-1' then machine stamped "C2"...the vinyl is green with the listed run time of 1:53 but actually runs 1:58.....this info s/b added to the db...

Hope you mean the label is green and not the vinyl.

I believe both my stock and promotional copies in my storage locker both fade out, but it's going to be a while before I get back there to dig them out...]]> Tue, 05 Feb 2013 17:25:00 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=517&PID=36605&title=eddie-cochran-summertime-blues#36605 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=517&PID=36604&title=eddie-cochran-summertime-blues#36604 Author: edtop40
Subject: 517
Posted: 05 February 2013 at 4:09pm

mark.....i can't imagine my vinyl 45 is so
rare...but.....the run-out groove info is etched '45-LB-
0859-1' then machine stamped "C2"...the vinyl is green with
the listed run time of 1:53 but actually runs 1:58.....this
info s/b added to the db...

Edited by edtop40]]> Tue, 05 Feb 2013 16:09:44 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=517&PID=36604&title=eddie-cochran-summertime-blues#36604