https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ Copyright (c) 2006-2013 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Thu, 07 May 2026 11:02:27 +0000 Sat, 17 Sep 2011 21:42:39 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 12.07 360 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=529 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum//images/Top-40-Music-on-CD-Forum-Logo.png https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=529&PID=31573&title=kim-wilde#31573 Author: NightAire
Subject: 529
Posted: 17 September 2011 at 9:42pm

Anybody have a CLEAN copy of "Kids In America?" I got a copy of a greatest hits CD and was shocked to hear what sounded like analog overload distortion when the drums kick in through the rest of the song.

I went back to my original file (ripped from one of my compilation CDs, I'm sure) and found IT sounded distorted past 26 seconds into the song.

Anybody have a recommended source for this song, or was the master tape of this recording just overloaded (unintentionally or for effect)?

(Curiously, the drums seem to be the main source of analog distortion more than the rest of the band or the voice, although at times Kim's voice seems to get a little bit of the analog IM distortion going, too... not like the drums, which makes me wonder if the problem was in the master tracks, pre-mixdown. Anybody know?)]]> Sat, 17 Sep 2011 21:42:39 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=529&PID=31573&title=kim-wilde#31573 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=529&PID=30032&title=kim-wilde#30032 Author: crapfromthepast
Subject: 529
Posted: 01 May 2011 at 11:22am

Revisiting "You Keep Me Hangin' On"...

My 45 (MCA 53024, 1986) has a printed time of 4:13 and an actual run time of 4:10. It has a very minor tempo drift from beginning (123.8 BPM) to end (123.9 BPM). Don't have the Another Step album to compare tempos or fade points.

Most of the 14 versions I have on CD are pretty close to the 45, but there are some goofs I'll point out so you can avoid them.

Priority's Rock Of The '80s Vol. 9 (1993) runs about 1.6% too slow, at 121.8 BPM. It's not the only track that runs abnormally slow on this series - "Pop Goes The World" on Vol. 11 is also too slow. Avoid.

The UK 2-CD set Now 1986 (1993) fades early by about 10 seconds. (Unless that's how the UK 45 runs...) Avoid.

The promo 50-CD set from swaitek called The A-List uses noise reduction on this track. Avoid.

The Time-Life 2-CD set Rock Dreams (1993) is missing the first 0.25 seconds of the intro. Surprisingly, so is Razor & Tie's 2-CD Awesome '80s (1994), which is mastered by Steve Hoffman and has a stellar reputation, but sounds nearly identical to Rock Dreams, including the intro glitch. Avoid.

There are a few discs that use the same digital source as Rock Dreams, but have the intro intact, including MCA's single-disc Greatest Rock Hits Of The '80s (1996; 1.9 dB quieter than Rock Dreams) and Time-Life's 2-CD Modern Rock Vol. 5 Dance (1999; 0.4 dB quieter than Rock Dreams). Both run 123.4 BPM throughout, both run about 4:14, and both sound very nice. I'd bet these are based on the mastering for Another Step, but I can't confirm that.

The most accurate representation of the 45 is probably on Sandstone's Rock The First Vol. 6 (1992), which runs at 123.9 BPM throughout and runs about 4:11. There is a digital clone that exactly 1.7 dB louder on Madacy's Rock On 1987 (1996), but it's too loud and clips a bit.

Bill Inglot did a new analog transfer for Rhino's Billboard Top Hits 1987 (1994), which sounds nice but is a little loud and clips a bit. It runs 123.4 BPM throughout and runs 4:14. There is a digital clone of the Billboard disc on Time-Life's Sounds Of The Eighties Vol. 9 1987 (1995; a little added compression - avoid).

And there are other versions that don't seem to be based on any of the above analog transfers, including UK's Now 8 (1986, EQ'd with too much high end and sounds too bright, runs 123.3 BPM and 4:10), the promo 4-CD MCA Hits Sampler Vol. 1 (1988, runs 124.0 BPM and 4:11 with truncated fade), and Warner Special Products'2-CD Rockin' USA (1994, runs 123.6 BPM and4:10). These all sound OK.

I should point out that in most of these cases, the length difference is due to where the fade ends, not due to significant pitch/tempo differences.

Overall, if I had to choose based on sound quality, I'd pick the Billboard disc, even though it clips a little. The EQ is a little bright for some tastes, but I like it. If you're looking for a version as faithful as possible to the 45, choose Rock The First.

Edited by crapfromthepast]]> Sun, 01 May 2011 11:22:08 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=529&PID=30032&title=kim-wilde#30032 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=529&PID=30005&title=kim-wilde#30005 Author: Fetta
Subject: 529
Posted: 28 April 2011 at 7:49pm

Thanks Pat.]]> Thu, 28 Apr 2011 19:49:54 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=529&PID=30005&title=kim-wilde#30005 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=529&PID=30002&title=kim-wilde#30002 Author: Pat Downey
Subject: 529
Posted: 28 April 2011 at 7:10pm

There is no "version" difference between the 45 and LP - just a speed difference (45 length = (4:10), LP length = (4:14))]]> Thu, 28 Apr 2011 19:10:46 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=529&PID=30002&title=kim-wilde#30002 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=529&PID=29999&title=kim-wilde#29999 Author: Fetta
Subject: 529
Posted: 28 April 2011 at 6:11pm

The database doesn't distinguish the different versions of "You Keep Me Hangin' On"

What version appears on the Time Life Sounds of The 80s - 1987?

Of the CDs listed in the database, which contain the correct 45 version?

Thanks all.

-Jeff

Edited by Fetta]]> Thu, 28 Apr 2011 18:11:08 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=529&PID=29999&title=kim-wilde#29999 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=529&PID=21369&title=kim-wilde#21369 Author: edtop40
Subject: 529
Posted: 02 March 2009 at 3:54pm

after another, more closer review of the song "kids in america", i've concluded that the 45 actually runs 3:25 and NOT 3:21 as my original assesment states.....this should be updated in the db....]]> Mon, 02 Mar 2009 15:54:58 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=529&PID=21369&title=kim-wilde#21369 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=529&PID=20614&title=kim-wilde#20614 Author: crapfromthepast
Subject: 529
Posted: 19 January 2009 at 6:53pm

For what it's worth, here are the BPMs (tempos) of the various versions of "You Keep Me Hangin' On" that I have:

The most common tempo is 123.4 BPM:

• Now 1986 (UK release, 1993; early fade)
• Awesome '80s (Razor & Tie, mastered by Steve Hoffman and the best-sounding version I've heard)
• Modern Rock - Dance (Time-Life)
• Sounds Of The Eighties - 1987 (Time-Life)
• The A-List
• Billboard Top Hits - 1987
• Rock Dreams (Time-Life)

There's a version on the hard-to-find UK CD Now 8 that runs a teeny bit slower at 123.3 BPM.

There's a version that runs a tiny bit faster at 123.6 BPM on Rockin' USA.

There are two CDs that feature a still faster version at 123.9 BPM:

• Rock The First Vol. 6 (also mastered by Steve Hoffman)
• Rock On - 1987

And finally, there's a version that runs significantly slower at 121.8 BPM on Rock Of The '80s Vol. 9. This is 1.3% slower than the 123.4 BPM versions listed above, and I think this should be considered to be running abnormally slow. You can hear that this one drags a bit; differences among the others aren't all that noticeable.


Edited by crapfromthepast]]> Mon, 19 Jan 2009 18:53:42 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=529&PID=20614&title=kim-wilde#20614 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=529&PID=20571&title=kim-wilde#20571 Author: Todd Ireland
Subject: 529
Posted: 15 January 2009 at 12:47pm

Pat:

I know you asked your question over two years ago, but I now have an actual commercial vinyl 45 dub of Kim Wilde's "You Keep Me Hangin' On" and I come up with a run time of 4:10 just like you did, Pat. I'm not sure if the 4:14 time posted in my initial thread was a typo or a misunderstanding, but it looks like all three of us now agree that the actual run time is 4:10.

So it looks like we can now conclude that the commercial and DJ 45 runs at a faster pitch than the LP (the latter does run 4:14).

Edited by Todd Ireland]]> Thu, 15 Jan 2009 12:47:41 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=529&PID=20571&title=kim-wilde#20571 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=529&PID=7668&title=kim-wilde#7668 Author: Pat Downey
Subject: 529
Posted: 25 October 2006 at 7:50pm

I'm confused here guys. Todd initially reported the commercial 45 running time of "You Keep Me Hangin' On" as (4:14), the same as the LP and now Ed reports the commercial 45 running time as (4:10) so which is the correct commercial 45 running time?]]> Wed, 25 Oct 2006 19:50:20 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=529&PID=7668&title=kim-wilde#7668 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=529&PID=7663&title=kim-wilde#7663 Author: edtop40
Subject: 529
Posted: 23 October 2006 at 9:54pm

my 45 is clearly quicker than the cd version from "rock of the 80's vol 9".....by about 0:04 or so......a promo sampler i have contains the correct 4:10 45 version....]]> Mon, 23 Oct 2006 21:54:23 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=529&PID=7663&title=kim-wilde#7663