https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ Copyright (c) 2006-2013 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Wed, 06 May 2026 09:02:41 +0000 Fri, 26 Feb 2010 20:30:09 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 12.07 360 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=5369 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum//images/Top-40-Music-on-CD-Forum-Logo.png https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5369&PID=25339&title=csny-woodstock-and-1970-45s#25339 Author: KentT
Subject: 5369
Posted: 26 February 2010 at 8:30pm

The CSG Stereo singles usually had very bad phase issues.
As a result, they weren't fit for broadcast. Free's "All
Right Now" was one of the worst offenders. The DJ Single
had a Mono side as well as the CSG Stereo phasey, mucky
sounding mess. The only place you could find that better
mono mix. ]]> Fri, 26 Feb 2010 20:30:09 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5369&PID=25339&title=csny-woodstock-and-1970-45s#25339 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5369&PID=25273&title=csny-woodstock-and-1970-45s#25273 Author: Bill Cahill
Subject: 5369
Posted: 21 February 2010 at 6:33pm

The mono side of the 4:14 white label promo of "All Right Now" makes no note of being a CSG processed recording. Trail on the mono side says A&M 2005-16, but the stereo side has CSG stereo etched into it, as A&M CSG 2005S-16. ]]> Sun, 21 Feb 2010 18:33:14 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5369&PID=25273&title=csny-woodstock-and-1970-45s#25273 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5369&PID=25234&title=csny-woodstock-and-1970-45s#25234 Author: AndrewChouffi
Subject: 5369
Posted: 16 February 2010 at 9:53am

To Hykker:

Thanks for the information!

Andy]]> Tue, 16 Feb 2010 09:53:25 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5369&PID=25234&title=csny-woodstock-and-1970-45s#25234 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5369&PID=25233&title=csny-woodstock-and-1970-45s#25233 Author: Hykker
Subject: 5369
Posted: 16 February 2010 at 9:24am

AndrewChouffi wrote: Free's "All Right Now" commercial single was (awful sounding) CSG STEREO. I believe the promo was straight mono. What version of "All Right Now" was CSG MONO? Andy

There were 2 promos of this, one with the 4:14 version in mono/stereo, and another with an edit. I only have the former, don't recall if the latter was short version mono/stereo, or short/long.

Some stock copies had a listed time of 2:70 that were marked mono. They were actually stereo and the 4:14 version. I had one of these once, not sure if I still have it.

The song itself was pretty bad sounding. The single, while much punchier was kind of distorted. The album version was cleaner but rather thin sounding.

]]> Tue, 16 Feb 2010 09:24:32 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5369&PID=25233&title=csny-woodstock-and-1970-45s#25233 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5369&PID=25232&title=csny-woodstock-and-1970-45s#25232 Author: AndrewChouffi
Subject: 5369
Posted: 16 February 2010 at 8:38am

To KentT:

Free's "All Right Now" commercial single was (awful sounding) CSG STEREO. I believe the promo was straight mono. What version of "All Right Now" was CSG MONO?

Andy]]> Tue, 16 Feb 2010 08:38:57 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5369&PID=25232&title=csny-woodstock-and-1970-45s#25232 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5369&PID=25226&title=csny-woodstock-and-1970-45s#25226 Author: KentT
Subject: 5369
Posted: 15 February 2010 at 8:38pm

Many of those old CSG Mono 45 singles had phase issues. Free's "All Right Now" was a very bad offender and sounded phasey on AM Radio. I am a broadcast engineer and had to deal with that one. We finally had to get a White Label Promo 45 of it from another station and cart it. ]]> Mon, 15 Feb 2010 20:38:00 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5369&PID=25226&title=csny-woodstock-and-1970-45s#25226 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5369&PID=25016&title=csny-woodstock-and-1970-45s#25016 Author: Yah Shure
Subject: 5369
Posted: 26 January 2010 at 8:53pm

AndrewChouffi wrote: around 1970 Atlantic had a habit of pressing a "CSG Processed Mono Master" for some of their mono singles if they had no dedicated mono mix & there might be some mono-compatibility issues with a fold-down.

Andy, that's true for the two 1969 CSN singles ("Marrakesh Express" and "Suite: Judy Blue Eyes".) Even the gold-label Oldies Series reissue (13049) has the "CSG processed mono master" note on the labels of both sides.

The CSNY 45s from 1970 don't have any CSG notation. Neither does the gold-label #13050 reissue of "Teach Your Children"/"Woodstock."

And my apologies again for the earlier error on the Atlantic Super Hits Vol. 5 issue. No station I ever worked at had that volume. I'd forgotten all about that series, and will have to dust off Vol. 3, along with The Super Groups. I don't think I've heard Vanilla Fudge's "Take Me For A Little While" in stereo from beginning to end since I bought that album in the cutouts back in the '70s.

Doug, I'll compare the stereo side of the "Ohio" DJ 45 with the Decade track. I've never owned So Far on either vinyl or CD.

Oh, and as long as Andy brought it up: Has anyone ever experienced any real problems with those mono CSG 45s? I've never noticed anything objectionable with the ones that I have (the CSG mono DJ 45 of Gordon Lightfoot's "Carefree Highway"/"Seven Island Suite" was one I ripped not that long ago and didn't notice anything unfavorable about either side.)

UPDATE: The stereo DJ 45 of "Ohio" clocks in at (2:59), which is two seconds longer than the (2:57) track from Neil Young's Decade CD. They fade at the same point (the CD fade has lots of hum that is absent from the 45) but the CD track runs faster than the stereo DJ 45.

The mono side of this same DJ 45 - a Specialty pressing - is three seconds shorter, at (2:56). The fadeout is a tiny tad quicker than on the stereo side, but the difference is insignificant. Speed differences account for the three-second variation.

Edited by Yah Shure]]> Tue, 26 Jan 2010 20:53:16 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5369&PID=25016&title=csny-woodstock-and-1970-45s#25016 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5369&PID=25012&title=csny-woodstock-and-1970-45s#25012 Author: AndrewChouffi
Subject: 5369
Posted: 26 January 2010 at 7:54pm

To Hykker:

Yes! I remember buying 'Super Hits Vol. 5' (maybe around Christmas 1970) hoping "Ohio" was in stereo and behold it was! You see, as a ten-year-old, I had never heard it in stereo (only AM mono rockers were in my market); I actually thought it was only recorded quickly in mono because of the rushed topical nature of the song.

To Indy500:

I really don't have any concrete answer to your question, but please remember around 1970 Atlantic had a habit of pressing a "CSG Processed Mono Master" for some of their mono singles if they had no dedicated mono mix & there might be some mono-compatibility issues with a fold-down.

Andy]]> Tue, 26 Jan 2010 19:54:19 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5369&PID=25012&title=csny-woodstock-and-1970-45s#25012 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5369&PID=25011&title=csny-woodstock-and-1970-45s#25011 Author: sriv94
Subject: 5369
Posted: 26 January 2010 at 7:47pm

Bear in mind the So Far version of "Ohio" runs (3:05) and is much slower than the 45 (I do believe the correct 45 speed is available on Neil Young's Decade 2-CD set, although I don't believe it's mono).]]> Tue, 26 Jan 2010 19:47:22 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5369&PID=25011&title=csny-woodstock-and-1970-45s#25011 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5369&PID=25008&title=csny-woodstock-and-1970-45s#25008 Author: Bill Cahill
Subject: 5369
Posted: 26 January 2010 at 6:23pm

I recently compared the mono stock 45 "Our House" to the stereo LP version and I couldn't hear anything to determine that it was was a dedicated mix. Sounds like a fold down on that track. ]]> Tue, 26 Jan 2010 18:23:46 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5369&PID=25008&title=csny-woodstock-and-1970-45s#25008