https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ Copyright (c) 2006-2013 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Thu, 07 May 2026 19:58:59 +0000 Sat, 07 Jan 2012 08:11:20 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 12.07 360 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=5393 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum//images/Top-40-Music-on-CD-Forum-Logo.png https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5393&PID=32434&title=ccr-the-singles-collection#32434 Author: KentT
Subject: 5393
Posted: 07 January 2012 at 8:11am

Smokin' Tom Gary and I share the same profession. And with
the music, it must fold down to mono and keep the
essentials. Phase issues are the bane of broadcasters
everywhere. I think the azimuth of the tape machines the
problem tracks were recorded on were off. Which does it
every time. This set is a poster child for why you need to
transfer mono masters with real full track mono heads.

Edited by KentT]]> Sat, 07 Jan 2012 08:11:20 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5393&PID=32434&title=ccr-the-singles-collection#32434 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5393&PID=32118&title=ccr-the-singles-collection#32118 Author: SoCalDrew
Subject: 5393
Posted: 30 November 2011 at 9:06am

Any suggestions as to which channel might provide the
better SQ when deleting one or the other?]]> Wed, 30 Nov 2011 09:06:58 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5393&PID=32118&title=ccr-the-singles-collection#32118 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5393&PID=32117&title=ccr-the-singles-collection#32117 Author: The Hits Man
Subject: 5393
Posted: 30 November 2011 at 8:40am

George Horn likely used a stereo head stack instead of a
mono stack, or the heads were mis-aligned.]]> Wed, 30 Nov 2011 08:40:26 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5393&PID=32117&title=ccr-the-singles-collection#32117 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5393&PID=32112&title=ccr-the-singles-collection#32112 Author: aaronk
Subject: 5393
Posted: 29 November 2011 at 10:33pm

I agree with you, Todd. There are, I'm sure, hundreds of examples of database CDs that have phasing problems when the track is summed to mono. I run into these fairly often whenever my DJ system is in mono mode. I don't think it's necessary to include such comments in the database if the track sounds fine when played back normally.]]> Tue, 29 Nov 2011 22:33:08 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5393&PID=32112&title=ccr-the-singles-collection#32112 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5393&PID=32108&title=ccr-the-singles-collection#32108 Author: Todd Ireland
Subject: 5393
Posted: 29 November 2011 at 9:17pm

Smokin'Tom Gary wrote: I bought this package and was disappointed in the mastering of 5 tracks. Disc One, Track 5 "I Put A Spell On You", Track 15 "Travelin' Band" and Track 16 "Who'll Stop The Rain" all have phasing problems. If you play these in Mono, which all cuts are supposed to be on Disc One, you will hear phasing problems. In other words, they sound bad in mono. Tracks 13 & 14 on Disc Two "45 Revolutions Per Minute" which are supposed to be stereo also have poor mono compatibility. One can describe phasing issues as loss of high end, swishing and hollow sounding.

I'm wondering if I may have a "corrected" CD pressing of Creedence Clearwater Revival's The Singles Collection because I honestly cannot detect any of the phasing issues Tom Gary has described hearing on his copy. The matrix number on the inner ring of my CD pressing is: DIDX-239542 1. There is also a smaller number that reads: IFPI 1329.

I agree that the sound quality is not the greatest on this set, but I attribute that more to the excessively loud and overcompressed CD mastering than anything else.


**EDIT** I just went back and re-read Aaron's post and now I realize that the phasing issues supposedly occur only when the L/R channels are summed together. If that's the case, then I may not have a different pressing after all.

So if the phasing issues aren't detectable during normal CD playback, then is it really necessary for the database to have comments about certain tracks being slightly out-of-phase? Thoughts anyone?

Edited by Todd Ireland]]> Tue, 29 Nov 2011 21:17:45 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5393&PID=32108&title=ccr-the-singles-collection#32108 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5393&PID=25140&title=ccr-the-singles-collection#25140 Author: Brian W.
Subject: 5393
Posted: 08 February 2010 at 3:19pm

Yes, this comes from using a stereo tape head to play back a mono tape, and not having the heads properly aligned. But it's easy to fix yourself... just open the tracks in an audio editor and get rid of one channel, then sum the remaining channel to mono.

Roscoe wrote: In any event, the other mastering problem is the all-too-common excessive dynamic range compression. I don't why they went to the trouble on this one, as I suspect many of these mixes were already compressed to begin with.

Agreed. I've seen worse limiting and compression, but it's still more than it needs to be here.

Edited by Brian W.]]> Mon, 08 Feb 2010 15:19:55 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5393&PID=25140&title=ccr-the-singles-collection#25140 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5393&PID=25139&title=ccr-the-singles-collection#25139 Author: Roscoe
Subject: 5393
Posted: 08 February 2010 at 10:07am

I tried several other "mono" tracks from this set and the L/R channels are not 100% identical...in fact, there's a lot of audible music when you invert one channel onto another.

I'm not enough of an audio expert to identify what happened here. Perhaps the engineer performed the transfers of mono tapes on a stereo machine and forgot to digitally sum to mono. Or maybe the tapes themselves weren't 100% mono. Even the "stereo" mixes of some of those CCR hits were pretty narrow, so maybe there was a mixup.

In any event, the other mastering problem is the all-too-common excessive dynamic range compression. I don't why they went to the trouble on this one, as I suspect many of these mixes were already compressed to begin with.]]> Mon, 08 Feb 2010 10:07:56 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5393&PID=25139&title=ccr-the-singles-collection#25139 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5393&PID=25138&title=ccr-the-singles-collection#25138 Author: aaronk
Subject: 5393
Posted: 08 February 2010 at 8:36am

If I understand Tom's post correctly, the songs do not have phasing problems unless you sum both channels together. Assuming that the disc one tracks really are in mono, you could always take either the left or right channel only, which would eliminate any phasing issues.

Of course, only folks like us would know how to do that or would even bother to check. So, any radio programmer who loads those versions into their automation system may run into the problems that Tom mentions above.]]> Mon, 08 Feb 2010 08:36:30 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5393&PID=25138&title=ccr-the-singles-collection#25138 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5393&PID=25137&title=ccr-the-singles-collection#25137 Author: jimct
Subject: 5393
Posted: 07 February 2010 at 8:28pm

Thanks for your fine-tooth-comb analysis, Tom! Based on your findings, let's hope that we don't see George Horn's name popping up on any future "single version" collections! Looks like us accuracy/perfectionist types will have to locate a stone mint original Fantasy 45, and then do the best de-vinylization we can for it, at least for their big two-sided hit, "Travelin' Band/Who'll Stop The Rain". ]]> Sun, 07 Feb 2010 20:28:10 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5393&PID=25137&title=ccr-the-singles-collection#25137 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5393&PID=25135&title=ccr-the-singles-collection#25135 Author: Smokin'Tom Gary
Subject: 5393
Posted: 07 February 2010 at 11:13am

I bought this package and was disappointed in the mastering of 5 tracks. Disc One, Track 5 "I Put A Spell On You", Track 15 "Travelin' Band" and Track 16 "Who'll Stop The Rain" all have phasing problems. If you play these in Mono, which all cuts are supposed to be on Disc One, you will hear phasing problems. In other words, they sound bad in mono. Tracks 13 & 14 on Disc Two "45 Revolutions Per Minute" which are supposed to be stereo also have poor mono compatibility. One can describe phasing issues as loss of high end, swishing and hollow sounding.

Why is this important? By profession I am a broadcast engineer. FM car radios have a built-in feature which collapses stereo separation and reduces the high end automatically as the signal gets weaker. As it gets weaker, these tracks will sound worse. That's the technical side. On the consumer side, if Disc One is advertised as mono in the booklet, I want mono! (OK, I won't kiss you!).

There was another technology that proved horrible in mono compatibility. It failed and is no longer used. It was called Q Sound.

I returned my CD for credit. I tracked down (no pun) the mastering engineer, George Horn. He said he would look at it, however, based on our conversation I seriously doubt it will be properly remastered and reissued.]]> Sun, 07 Feb 2010 11:13:10 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5393&PID=25135&title=ccr-the-singles-collection#25135