https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ Copyright (c) 2006-2013 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Mon, 13 Apr 2026 11:48:17 +0000 Fri, 09 Nov 2012 12:56:39 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 12.07 360 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=5477 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum//images/Top-40-Music-on-CD-Forum-Logo.png https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5477&PID=35845&title=mono-mamas-papas-master-tape-found#35845 Author: Paul C
Subject: 5477
Posted: 09 November 2012 at 12:56pm

bitman wrote: I saw the Mamas & Papas Complete Anthology double CD set on Amazon and a number of the cuts are marked 'single version.' So, anyone aware of this set? Are they really the single versions or is it erroneous? Needle drops? If they are needle drops what do they sound like? Thanks!

I don't know if it's the same set to which you refer (since you mention it being a double disc set), but I have a four disc Mamas & Papas set titled, Complete Anthology, issued by Universal in the UK in 2004. (At the time, Collectors' Choice was selling copies autographed by Michelle Phillips.) There are two tracks on the set described as 'single version', "Creeque Alley" and "Words Of Love". Both are vinyl dubs. As is the case with the All The Leaves Are Brown set, the version presented as the single version of "Creeque Alley" is actually the mono LP version. The disc dubs sound so similar to those on the All The Leaves Are Brown set that I suspect they were copied from this set.

As has been discussed elsewhere on this board, some time after ABC Records purchased Dunhill, there was a purge during which just about everything other than the reels containing the stereo LP masters were destroyed. ABC Records was in turn purchased by MCA in the late 1970s.

In many (if not all) countries outside the US (including the UK and Canada), the Dunhill material was issued on RCA. People have been wondering for a long time whether mono and 45 masters might still exist in any of these countries. The big question is: When RCA lost the rights to the Dunhill material in these countries after the MCA purchase of ABC, what happened to the tapes of which RCA had physical possession. Did they send them to MCA (now Universal) in each of their respective countries, did they keep them, or did they destroy them?

Since the Universal UK set contains vinyl dubs of the mono material, it unfortunately would appear that they do not have the mono tapes. Was it ever revealed where in the UK the mono If You Can Believe Your Eyes And Ears tapes were found? In the Universal vaults or in the RCA vaults?

One indication that RCA in Canada no longer has mono tapes is that I have a Canadian RCA re-issue single (most likely pressed in the mid 1970's) that has "I Saw Her Again" on one side and "Creeque Alley" on the other. Although the run times printed on the label are the run times of the 45 versions, both songs on this re-issue are mono versions of the stereo LP versions. [My original Canadian RCA 45 of "I Saw Her Again" is the same as the US 45. I don't have an original Canadian 45 of "Creeque Alley."]

]]> Fri, 09 Nov 2012 12:56:39 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5477&PID=35845&title=mono-mamas-papas-master-tape-found#35845 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5477&PID=35809&title=mono-mamas-papas-master-tape-found#35809 Author: aaronk
Subject: 5477
Posted: 02 November 2012 at 6:39pm

Allmusic.com has audio samples, and most of the songs are in stereo, even for ones that amazon.com lists as "Single Version."]]> Fri, 02 Nov 2012 18:39:31 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5477&PID=35809&title=mono-mamas-papas-master-tape-found#35809 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5477&PID=35806&title=mono-mamas-papas-master-tape-found#35806 Author: bitman
Subject: 5477
Posted: 02 November 2012 at 2:12pm

I saw the Mamas & Papas Complete Anthology double CD set on Amazon and a number of the cuts are marked 'single version.' So, anyone aware of this set? Are they really the single versions or is it erroneous? Needle drops? If they are needle drops what do they sound like? Thanks!

]]> Fri, 02 Nov 2012 14:12:28 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5477&PID=35806&title=mono-mamas-papas-master-tape-found#35806 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5477&PID=31792&title=mono-mamas-papas-master-tape-found#31792 Author: Hykker
Subject: 5477
Posted: 23 October 2011 at 6:18pm

Brian W. wrote: davidclark wrote: Brian, how about "California Dreaming"? Cold ending... there is no fade on that song.

What about mix differences between the mono & stereo versions of this? CD is the only M&P single I don't have, and I replaced my mono LP with stereo 40-odd years ago.
]]> Sun, 23 Oct 2011 18:18:54 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5477&PID=31792&title=mono-mamas-papas-master-tape-found#31792 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5477&PID=31790&title=mono-mamas-papas-master-tape-found#31790 Author: Brian W.
Subject: 5477
Posted: 22 October 2011 at 12:25pm

Roscoe wrote: Brian W. wrote: Got the CD. Good sound, but sadly "Monday Monday" fades out a good five seconds before the 45 does, right before the line "it's here to stay." It seems to fade out to hiss, so it sounds like it was that way on the original album master. (Everyone is presuming this British tape that Sundzed used is the 1966 British dub of the US album master.) Maybe Roscoe can tell us if the US mono vinyl LP also has "Monday Monday" running 3:03 instead of 3:09. Both my original Dunhill and Sundazed mono LPs have "Monday Monday" fading at 3:03. Apparently, the mono LP, mono 45 and stereo LP versions all have different lengths.

Thanks, Roscoe! As I suspected. So the Sundazed CD has the correct mono LP length.

Pat, if you add the Sundazed CD to the database, you might want to add a note that the mono LP version runs 3:03.

Edited by Brian W.]]> Sat, 22 Oct 2011 12:25:49 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5477&PID=31790&title=mono-mamas-papas-master-tape-found#31790 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5477&PID=31789&title=mono-mamas-papas-master-tape-found#31789 Author: Roscoe
Subject: 5477
Posted: 22 October 2011 at 12:10pm

Brian W. wrote: Got the CD. Good sound, but sadly "Monday Monday" fades out a good five seconds before the 45 does, right before the line "it's here to stay." It seems to fade out to hiss, so it sounds like it was that way on the original album master. (Everyone is presuming this British tape that Sundzed used is the 1966 British dub of the US album master.) Maybe Roscoe can tell us if the US mono vinyl LP also has "Monday Monday" running 3:03 instead of 3:09.

Both my original Dunhill and Sundazed mono LPs have "Monday Monday" fading at 3:03. Apparently, the mono LP, mono 45 and stereo LP versions all have different lengths.]]> Sat, 22 Oct 2011 12:10:18 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5477&PID=31789&title=mono-mamas-papas-master-tape-found#31789 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5477&PID=31788&title=mono-mamas-papas-master-tape-found#31788 Author: Brian W.
Subject: 5477
Posted: 22 October 2011 at 10:26am

davidclark wrote: Brian, how about "California Dreaming"?

Cold ending... there is no fade on that song.

Edited by Brian W.]]> Sat, 22 Oct 2011 10:26:50 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5477&PID=31788&title=mono-mamas-papas-master-tape-found#31788 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5477&PID=31787&title=mono-mamas-papas-master-tape-found#31787 Author: davidclark
Subject: 5477
Posted: 22 October 2011 at 4:01am

Brian, how about "California Dreaming"?]]> Sat, 22 Oct 2011 04:01:51 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5477&PID=31787&title=mono-mamas-papas-master-tape-found#31787 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5477&PID=31786&title=mono-mamas-papas-master-tape-found#31786 Author: Brian W.
Subject: 5477
Posted: 21 October 2011 at 11:03pm

Got the CD. Good sound, but sadly "Monday Monday" fades out a good five seconds before the 45 does, right before the line "it's here to stay." It seems to fade out to hiss, so it sounds like it was that way on the original album master. (Everyone is presuming this British tape that Sundzed used is the 1966 British dub of the US album master.)

Maybe Roscoe can tell us if the US mono vinyl LP also has "Monday Monday" running 3:03 instead of 3:09.

Edited by Brian W.]]> Fri, 21 Oct 2011 23:03:08 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5477&PID=31786&title=mono-mamas-papas-master-tape-found#31786 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5477&PID=31660&title=mono-mamas-papas-master-tape-found#31660 Author: Brian W.
Subject: 5477
Posted: 27 September 2011 at 11:39pm

It's comin' out on CD from Sundazed next month!!!

http://www.sundazed.com/shop/product_info.php?products_id=20 66]]> Tue, 27 Sep 2011 23:39:29 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5477&PID=31660&title=mono-mamas-papas-master-tape-found#31660