https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ Copyright (c) 2006-2013 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Tue, 14 Apr 2026 17:20:51 +0000 Thu, 11 Oct 2018 21:20:18 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 12.07 360 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=5664 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum//images/Top-40-Music-on-CD-Forum-Logo.png https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5664&PID=50294&title=richard-marx-angelia#50294 Author: aaronk
Subject: 5664
Posted: 11 October 2018 at 9:20pm

The Single Version cannot be created by editing the LP version, if I recall correctly. There is unique audio at the end of the sax solo.]]> Thu, 11 Oct 2018 21:20:18 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5664&PID=50294&title=richard-marx-angelia#50294 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5664&PID=50293&title=richard-marx-angelia#50293 Author: NightAire
Subject: 5664
Posted: 11 October 2018 at 8:12pm

Is the single version just an early fade or (as it sounds from the posts) an actual edit of the LP version?]]> Thu, 11 Oct 2018 20:12:01 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5664&PID=50293&title=richard-marx-angelia#50293 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5664&PID=49389&title=richard-marx-angelia#49389 Author: aaronk
Subject: 5664
Posted: 26 May 2018 at 11:23pm

The LP Edit and Single Version are identical.]]> Sat, 26 May 2018 23:23:03 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5664&PID=49389&title=richard-marx-angelia#49389 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5664&PID=49386&title=richard-marx-angelia#49386 Author: Ringmaster_D
Subject: 5664
Posted: 25 May 2018 at 4:53pm

Thanks guys. I must have had the same two identical
files Ron had. Ok, now the other question: I'm assuming
the "single version" is the same as the LP Edit, but
I've learned to never assume, especially since the
listed time is the same as the AC Mix! ]]> Fri, 25 May 2018 16:53:42 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5664&PID=49386&title=richard-marx-angelia#49386 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5664&PID=49385&title=richard-marx-angelia#49385 Author: aaronk
Subject: 5664
Posted: 25 May 2018 at 3:34pm

So true about the multiple versions! I have a theory about "Angelia," though,
which would explain why they are "comically close."

The LP version has an electric guitar solo at 3:00 that follows the sax solo, and
there are also some electric guitar overdubs a little later in the song. Perhaps
the engineer did a mix with the electric guitar and without, from start to finish.
Then, when it came time to shorten it up, the parts that would've had the
electric guitar were cut completely out of both versions. It's only a guess, and
as to why they released it, maybe they simply wanted AC radio to feel like they
were getting something special to entice them to listen to and add the song.]]> Fri, 25 May 2018 15:34:24 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5664&PID=49385&title=richard-marx-angelia#49385 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5664&PID=49384&title=richard-marx-angelia#49384 Author: crapfromthepast
Subject: 5664
Posted: 25 May 2018 at 9:19am

I never could figure out the late-'80s mindset of multiple versions of the songs for radio.

Did they really think that radio airplay would hinge on having a second version that's just a teeny bit different? Was there really someone at EMI in 1989 who thought, "Whoa! That guitar strum at 1:40 will ruin chances for airplay! Get the engineer to mix that out!" Just like cutting out 4.4 seconds from the bridge of Huey Lewis's "I Know What I Like" - did Chrysalis see that extra 4.4 seconds as a deal-breaker?

It all gave way to a flood of multiple-mix promo and commercial CD singles in the late-'80s and early '90s, which caused endless headaches for us collectors and DJs. I'm fine with "Album Version", and a shorter "Single Version" that got the airplay, but I lose patience wading through another six versions that have never been listened to in their entirety by anyone, ever.]]> Fri, 25 May 2018 09:19:47 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5664&PID=49384&title=richard-marx-angelia#49384 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5664&PID=49383&title=richard-marx-angelia#49383 Author: aaronk
Subject: 5664
Posted: 25 May 2018 at 8:05am

Good catch on the different edit near the end. I certainly didn't spot it when doing my A/B, but I also didn't try to sync the two files. I can get them to partially cancel out for a couple seconds, and there definitely is an electric guitar strum at 1:40 on the LP Edit that appears to be missing from the AC Mix.]]> Fri, 25 May 2018 08:05:10 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5664&PID=49383&title=richard-marx-angelia#49383 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5664&PID=49382&title=richard-marx-angelia#49382 Author: crapfromthepast
Subject: 5664
Posted: 25 May 2018 at 7:39am

Turns out that whoever sent me the two files initially, sent me the same file twice. No big deal.

Aaron sent me the two proper files, and they're still comically close. Both stay synchronized really closely until about 3:24, then they diverge from each other, but only very slightly.

I managed to find one teensy difference. At 3:48, the drum fills are different, as if the AC Mix and LP Edit used different portions of the end of the song. I don't know the LP version well enough to tell which is which, though. I'd guess that whoever created the second of the two versions to match the first of the two versions didn't know the LP version well enough, either, and used the wrong portion of the song.

The song runs at 96.9 BPM throughout, and uses a live drummer, not a drum machine. For what it's worth.]]> Fri, 25 May 2018 07:39:40 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5664&PID=49382&title=richard-marx-angelia#49382 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5664&PID=49380&title=richard-marx-angelia#49380 Author: aaronk
Subject: 5664
Posted: 24 May 2018 at 9:06pm

Files are uploading for you now, Ron.]]> Thu, 24 May 2018 21:06:41 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5664&PID=49380&title=richard-marx-angelia#49380 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5664&PID=49379&title=richard-marx-angelia#49379 Author: aaronk
Subject: 5664
Posted: 24 May 2018 at 9:01pm

Ron, I can't get my two files to cancel completely, and they don't stay perfectly in sync.]]> Thu, 24 May 2018 21:01:41 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5664&PID=49379&title=richard-marx-angelia#49379