https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ Copyright (c) 2006-2013 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Sat, 11 Apr 2026 07:52:58 +0000 Tue, 23 Jul 2024 20:49:23 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 12.07 360 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=5673 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum//images/Top-40-Music-on-CD-Forum-Logo.png https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5673&PID=64993&title=the-surfariswipe-out#64993 Author: Brian W.
Subject: 5673
Posted: 23 July 2024 at 8:49pm

AndrewChouffi wrote: Edited to add: I'm pretty sure that Steve Hoffman found the original tape (which had a longer fade) while he was doing tape research for that great 'Vintage Music' series. He was a California man and had his finger on the pulse of statewide studios purging their tapes. Andy

Steve Hoffman did have this to say about doing a reissue
45 for MCA:

"There is a 45 that I cut with Dave Hernandez at MCA of
the DFS master tape version of WIPE OUT and SURFER JOE.
It's on the MCA label that is blue with the clouds. But
there is also a cutting that uses that crappy DOT eq and
compressed dub with the added echo and the editing. So,
watch out. Same label for both!"

Needless to say, he is not a fan of the "hit" version of
the song!



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Subject: 5673
Posted: 23 July 2024 at 11:25am

I wonder if the Princess Records version is the same as the
one on Dot? I would think so, but I've learned never to
assume.]]> Tue, 23 Jul 2024 11:25:57 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5673&PID=64992&title=the-surfariswipe-out#64992 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5673&PID=64991&title=the-surfariswipe-out#64991 Author: aaronk
Subject: 5673
Posted: 23 July 2024 at 7:21am

Good info, Andy. It must be the higher gen tape, the difference in reverb (which I assume was added to the entire song, even though it's most noticeably different on the intro), and compression.

Brian sent me a copy from a UK Reader's Digest CD comp, and while this CD has the correct reverb and compression, the EQ sounds nothing like what is on the Dot 45 and is pretty bad sounding. It's probably an even higher generation tape, which doesn't help.]]> Tue, 23 Jul 2024 07:21:07 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5673&PID=64991&title=the-surfariswipe-out#64991 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5673&PID=64990&title=the-surfariswipe-out#64990 Author: AndrewChouffi
Subject: 5673
Posted: 23 July 2024 at 4:54am

Edited to add: I'm pretty sure that Steve Hoffman found
the original tape (which had a longer fade) while he was
doing tape research for that great 'Vintage Music' series.
He was a California man and had his finger on the pulse of
statewide studios purging their tapes.

Andy]]> Tue, 23 Jul 2024 04:54:53 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5673&PID=64990&title=the-surfariswipe-out#64990 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5673&PID=64989&title=the-surfariswipe-out#64989 Author: AndrewChouffi
Subject: 5673
Posted: 23 July 2024 at 4:49am

To Aaron & Ron:

To the best of my knowledge, "Wipe-Out" (as it was
labeled on the original DFS B-side) was *recorded* in
full-track mono (as opposed to being *mixed* to mono from
2, 3 or 4 tracks) as it was recorded as a throwaway B-
side to "Surfer Joe" in a small studio in California.
Therefore, on a technicality, there cannot be an
alternate *mix* of the cut.

However, the record was picked up by Princess Records,
and then ultimately Dot records for national distribution
and somewhere along the way reverb was added (as well as
compression & EQ). The hit Dot 45 was at least 2
generations away from the master tape or possibly a
modified needledrop of the original DFS or Princess 45.

So while it sure *sounds* like a different mix, I don't
believe there can be a different mix.

Andy]]> Tue, 23 Jul 2024 04:49:14 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5673&PID=64989&title=the-surfariswipe-out#64989 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5673&PID=64988&title=the-surfariswipe-out#64988 Author: aaronk
Subject: 5673
Posted: 22 July 2024 at 9:25pm

Ron and I were emailing about this, and it appears that what's on CD is not the original mix. I pulled my original 1963 Dot 45, and the reverb on the intro is noticeably different, as is the entire mix. This would explain why all CD versions are about 20 seconds longer than the 45. Someone went back to the original multi-track tape and made a new mix, perhaps to clean up the fidelity, as the original is a bit grungy sounding.]]> Mon, 22 Jul 2024 21:25:26 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5673&PID=64988&title=the-surfariswipe-out#64988 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5673&PID=64822&title=the-surfariswipe-out#64822 Author: crapfromthepast
Subject: 5673
Posted: 06 June 2024 at 11:51am

I figured out the Decca situation.

Decca never had the rights at all to the hit version. The YouTube video showing the hit version playing on a Decca LP clearly had its audio replaced. You can see from the record label that a different song is playing while we hear the audio to “Wipe Out”.

My fault for not being more careful with the YouTube clips.

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Subject: 5673
Posted: 06 June 2024 at 5:03am

vanmeter wrote: I have the Dot LP - playing it now - and it's exactly the same as the Dot 45 with the laugh, and "Wipe Out" runs about 2:16.

I can say with absolute certainty that my friend's LP did NOT have the laugh. Maybe he had the Decca LP that Bill mentioned, or maybe there
were 2 different pressings? It's been 60 years, and we've long since lost touch.]]> Thu, 06 Jun 2024 05:03:01 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5673&PID=64821&title=the-surfariswipe-out#64821 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5673&PID=64820&title=the-surfariswipe-out#64820 Author: billbuster
Subject: 5673
Posted: 06 June 2024 at 12:13am

Here's part of the story on this video by Bob Berryhill, a founding member of the Surfaris, who tells how (at about 19:20 in the video) the band recorded a whole album for Dot, but instead of using their tapes Dot had the LA surf band The Challengers re-record the tunes for the album. I understand this was done because Dot found out the boys in the Surfaris were underage and not members of the musicians' union.

Video by Bob Berryhill, a founding member of the Surfaris

Decca and re-recording: After the Dot debacle, the Surfaris signed with Decca. But since Dot held the rights to their original "Wipe Out" recording, the band had to re-record the song for their Decca album, "The Surfaris Play." This 1963 Decca album featured the Surfaris playing their own instruments for "Wipe Out" and "Surfer Joe," along with new original material.

So, the re-recording for Decca was a necessity due to the legalities surrounding the original recording and their new label situation.

Edited by billbuster]]> Thu, 06 Jun 2024 00:13:17 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5673&PID=64820&title=the-surfariswipe-out#64820 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5673&PID=64818&title=the-surfariswipe-out#64818 Author: crapfromthepast
Subject: 5673
Posted: 05 June 2024 at 4:31pm

I'm having trouble figuring out when (and why) Decca made the rerecording.

The first Decca LP, Play, (released 1963) included the hit version.

The Decca 45 (released at latest 1966) included the rerecording.

Did Decca not have the rights to release the song on a 45?

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