https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ Copyright (c) 2006-2013 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Sat, 11 Apr 2026 11:29:28 +0000 Thu, 27 Mar 2014 15:12:13 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 12.07 360 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=5979 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum//images/Top-40-Music-on-CD-Forum-Logo.png https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5979&PID=40850&title=three-dog-night-mono-versions#40850 Author: Steve Carras
Subject: 5979
Posted: 27 March 2014 at 3:12pm

sriv94 wrote: The Hits Man wrote: Some stereo mixes are the same as the mono mixes to my ears, as "One" is. Isn't "One" slightly sped/pitched up on the 45 compared to the LP?

Yes, and to me, it's different mixed with the guitar louder under the "Num-ber" part on the chorus.Interesting comment about "Eli's Coming"'s recreation.]]> Thu, 27 Mar 2014 15:12:13 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5979&PID=40850&title=three-dog-night-mono-versions#40850 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5979&PID=40843&title=three-dog-night-mono-versions#40843 Author: The Hits Man
Subject: 5979
Posted: 27 March 2014 at 12:13pm

aaronk wrote: The Hits Man wrote: I use the Audio Technica 150mlx cart with the Microline stylus. It's no wonder I like the sound. That's the same one I use :)

   

My version is still obviously from a record because there
is distortion in spots that wasn't able to get rid of.
After all, it is an ABC-Dunhill pressing of almost seven
and a half minutes, and from 1968. There is even a
dropout on the intro, but that is apparently on the tape.]]> Thu, 27 Mar 2014 12:13:23 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5979&PID=40843&title=three-dog-night-mono-versions#40843 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5979&PID=40842&title=three-dog-night-mono-versions#40842 Author: aaronk
Subject: 5979
Posted: 27 March 2014 at 10:37am

The Hits Man wrote: I use the Audio Technica 150mlx cart with the Microline stylus.

It's no wonder I like the sound. That's the same one I use :)]]> Thu, 27 Mar 2014 10:37:35 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5979&PID=40842&title=three-dog-night-mono-versions#40842 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5979&PID=40840&title=three-dog-night-mono-versions#40840 Author: The Hits Man
Subject: 5979
Posted: 27 March 2014 at 9:03am

aaronk wrote: Also, your dub of "MacArthur Park" sounds really nice! Not sure what stylus/cartridge you use, but I can tell it's really good.

   

I use the Audio Technica 150mlx cart with the Microline
stylus.
http://www.lpgear.com/product/ATC0150MLX.html

Since I can't adjust the resistance on my preamp, I simply
use a setting in Adobe Audition to flatten the frequency
response before any cleanup.]]> Thu, 27 Mar 2014 09:03:42 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5979&PID=40840&title=three-dog-night-mono-versions#40840 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5979&PID=40836&title=three-dog-night-mono-versions#40836 Author: aaronk
Subject: 5979
Posted: 26 March 2014 at 10:47pm

Regarding "Joy To The World," it ends like this:

Joy to you and me
[ad lib] I want to sing it to ya
Joy [end of fade]

Also, your dub of "MacArthur Park" sounds really nice! Not sure what stylus/cartridge you use, but I can tell it's really good.]]> Wed, 26 Mar 2014 22:47:37 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5979&PID=40836&title=three-dog-night-mono-versions#40836 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5979&PID=40835&title=three-dog-night-mono-versions#40835 Author: The Hits Man
Subject: 5979
Posted: 26 March 2014 at 9:27pm

sriv94 wrote: The Hits Man wrote: Some stereo mixes are the same as the mono mixes to my ears, as "One" is. Isn't "One" slightly sped/pitched up on the 45 compared to the LP?

   I didn't notice. I was too busy
listening for mix differences, and, aside from non vs.
stereo, I found none. ]]> Wed, 26 Mar 2014 21:27:45 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5979&PID=40835&title=three-dog-night-mono-versions#40835 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5979&PID=40834&title=three-dog-night-mono-versions#40834 Author: The Hits Man
Subject: 5979
Posted: 26 March 2014 at 9:24pm

aaronk wrote: Hey Grant, I recently posted this in another thread: After some careful analysis, I can say that the mono 45 version of "Joy To The World" that's been floating around on CD is a vinyl dub. This explains why it fades earlier than the actual 45 and has some strange clicks throughout, in addition to some distortion in places. In order to hide vinyl noise, the keyboard intro has been carefully spliced on from the stereo version and folded down to mono. The way I can tell is because on the stereo mix, the percussion mics are left up. Even though the drums haven't started, I can hear the rattle of the snares and possibly a faint hi-hat tap before the first drums on the stereo mix. None of this can be heard on the true mono mix. But, it can be heard on the 45 version on CD, which can only mean it was borrowed from the stereo.

   

Wow! OK, While I haven't had the actual 45 since 1972, I
somehow now remember that the 45 fade ended with the line
"Joy To You And Me!". Is that correct?]]> Wed, 26 Mar 2014 21:24:39 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5979&PID=40834&title=three-dog-night-mono-versions#40834 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5979&PID=40831&title=three-dog-night-mono-versions#40831 Author: sriv94
Subject: 5979
Posted: 26 March 2014 at 7:15pm

The Hits Man wrote: Some stereo mixes are the same as the mono mixes to my ears, as "One" is.

Isn't "One" slightly sped/pitched up on the 45 compared to the LP?]]> Wed, 26 Mar 2014 19:15:46 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5979&PID=40831&title=three-dog-night-mono-versions#40831 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5979&PID=40828&title=three-dog-night-mono-versions#40828 Author: aaronk
Subject: 5979
Posted: 26 March 2014 at 5:48pm

Hey Grant, I recently posted this in another thread:

After some careful analysis, I can say that the mono 45 version of "Joy To The World" that's been floating around on CD is a vinyl dub. This explains why it fades earlier than the actual 45 and has some strange clicks throughout, in addition to some distortion in places.

In order to hide vinyl noise, the keyboard intro has been carefully spliced on from the stereo version and folded down to mono. The way I can tell is because on the stereo mix, the percussion mics are left up. Even though the drums haven't started, I can hear the rattle of the snares and possibly a faint hi-hat tap before the first drums on the stereo mix. None of this can be heard on the true mono mix. But, it can be heard on the 45 version on CD, which can only mean it was borrowed from the stereo.
]]> Wed, 26 Mar 2014 17:48:14 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5979&PID=40828&title=three-dog-night-mono-versions#40828 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5979&PID=40823&title=three-dog-night-mono-versions#40823 Author: The Hits Man
Subject: 5979
Posted: 26 March 2014 at 4:51pm

Aaron, Why do you say "Joy To The World" was a disk dub?

The mono single version was issued on the Rhino
Billboard Top R&R Hits: 1971 CD in 1988.    It was its
first CD appearance.

We will all be stoked if someone can find all of the
correct 45 versions on tape. But, even if some must come
from vinyl, that's OK too, just as long as the
restoration and mastering make it so you can't tell.

In the meantime, i'm on a mission to track down all of
the 45 versions.]]> Wed, 26 Mar 2014 16:51:14 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5979&PID=40823&title=three-dog-night-mono-versions#40823