https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ Copyright (c) 2006-2013 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Sun, 12 Apr 2026 15:13:51 +0000 Sun, 21 Jul 2013 10:36:09 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 12.07 360 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=6020 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum//images/Top-40-Music-on-CD-Forum-Logo.png https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6020&PID=38574&title=human-league-keep-feeling-fascination#38574 Author: Todd Ireland
Subject: 6020
Posted: 21 July 2013 at 10:36am

Good stuff, Abagon. Thanks very much for posting this!]]> Sun, 21 Jul 2013 10:36:09 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6020&PID=38574&title=human-league-keep-feeling-fascination#38574 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6020&PID=38553&title=human-league-keep-feeling-fascination#38553 Author: abagon
Subject: 6020
Posted: 19 July 2013 at 9:56am

Here is the list of the actual mini albums' running time in the 80's.

1982 BARRY MANILOW "Oh Julie!" Arista AB 2500
4 tracks (time) 12:57 (4 GREAT NEW SONGS ON SPECIALLY-PRICED EP." sticker on the shrink wrap)

1984 DEBORAH ALLEN "Cheat The Night" RCA MHL1-8514
6 tacks (time) 22:04 (printed "MINI LP SPECIALLY PRICED" on the record cover)

1985 DAVID LEE ROTH "Crazy From The Heat"   Warner 25222-1
4 tracks (time) 14:10 (printed "Specially-Priced Four-Cut EP" on the record cover)

1985 HONEYDRIPPERS "Volume One" es Paranza 90220-1-B
5 tracks (time) 18:11

1983 HUMAN LEAGUE "Fascination!" A&M SP-12501
6 tracks *5 songs (time) 26:46

1986 JELLYBEAN "Wotupski!?!" EMI America MLP-19011
5 tracks (time) 36:03
    
1980 MECO "Meco Plays Music From The Empire Strikes Back" RSO RO-1-3086 *10 inch record*
4 tracks (time) approximate 18:39-endless (effect sound in the runout groove)

1982 MIKE POST "Television Theme Song"    Elektra E1-60028
6 tracks (time) 19:25

1983 ROBERT ELLIS ORRALL "Special Pain"    RCA MFL1-8502
5 tracks (time) 20:20 (printed "MINI LP SPECIALLY PRICED" on the record cover)

1983 THOMAS DOLBY "Blinded By Science" Harvest 15007
5 tracks (time) 29:33 (printed "MINI LP/5 SONGS" on the record cover)

1985 UB 40 "Little Baggariddim"   A&M SP-6-5090
6 tracks *5 songs (time) 23:19 ("SPECIALLY PRICED $6.98" sticker on the record cover)

--abagon
]]> Fri, 19 Jul 2013 09:56:46 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6020&PID=38553&title=human-league-keep-feeling-fascination#38553 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6020&PID=38546&title=human-league-keep-feeling-fascination#38546 Author: abagon
Subject: 6020
Posted: 18 July 2013 at 9:50am

You're welcome, Todd!

The LP catalog numbers of "A&M records" has SP plus 4 digits (for example, POLICE's "Synchronicity" vinyl LP number is SP-3735).
Also has SP plus 6 plus four digits (for example, TA MARA & THE SEEN's self-titled vinyl LP number is SP-6-5078).
And 12 inch vinyl's catalog number of "A&M records" has SP plus 5 digits (for example, HERB ALPERT's "Diamonds" 12 inch vinyl number is SP-12231)

Strangely, HUMAN LEAGUE's "The Fascination!" (6 tracks - Total run time 26:46) has the same standard as the A&M's 12 inch number (SP-12501).
UB 40's "Little Baggariddim" (6 tracks - Total run time 23:19) has the A&M's LP number (SP-6-5090).
HUMAN LEAGUE's "The Fascination!" contains two versions of "(Keep Feeling) Fascination.
Also "UB 40's "Little Baggariddim" contains two versions of "I Got You Babe" (Another is instrumental version)

By the way, some full length LPs contain two versions of a song.
For example.
SHANNON's "Let the Music Play" vinyl LP contains two versions of the title song. (LP version & Remix version) (Mirage 90134-1)
GODLEY & CRÈME's "The History Mix Volume 1" vinyl LP contains two versions of "Cry". (LP version & Single Version) (Polydor 825 981-1 Y-1)
MILLI VANILLI's "Girl You Know It's True" vinyl LP contains two versions of "Girl You Know It's True". (LP version & N.Y Subway Extended Mix) (Arista AL-8592)

I'm confused. But I hope that the above info is helpful. I will update the mini-LP's info about the numbers of track with the actual full running time in the 80's. Thank you for the beneficial info, Brian W!

--abagon


Edited by abagon]]> Thu, 18 Jul 2013 09:50:36 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6020&PID=38546&title=human-league-keep-feeling-fascination#38546 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6020&PID=38545&title=human-league-keep-feeling-fascination#38545 Author: Brian W.
Subject: 6020
Posted: 18 July 2013 at 8:55am

Todd Ireland wrote: I'm not aware if there is an official U.S. standard.

The RIAA on its website defines an EP as: "Must include at least three but no more than five different songs."

Which somewhat overlaps their definition of a single: "Must contain no more than four different songs. Only one song is eligible [for certification]."

Now, it does say "songs," not tracks, so a remix single with ten different versions of a song might be considered a single. Not sure how that works.

Edited by Brian W.]]> Thu, 18 Jul 2013 08:55:31 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6020&PID=38545&title=human-league-keep-feeling-fascination#38545 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6020&PID=38544&title=human-league-keep-feeling-fascination#38544 Author: Todd Ireland
Subject: 6020
Posted: 17 July 2013 at 10:06pm

Thank you so much for compiling your terrific list of EP releases, Abagon. This is very helpful!

I suppose I should step back here and try to determine what exactly defines an official EP (Extended Play) release. I'm not sure if a universally agreed upon criteria exists, though it's often described as something like a "mini-LP". According to Wikipedia, the U.K. considers an EP to be up to 25 minutes in length or four tracks. I'm not aware if there is an official U.S. standard, though I've seen instances where U.S. album releases containing four to six distinctly different tracks with a combined total run time of up to 30 minutes are classified as EPs. The Human League's Fascination! EP, for example, consists of two versions of "(Keep Feeling) Fascination" and four other distinct tracks for a reported total run time of approximately 27 minutes.

Now when taking all of this into account, I'm thinking it probably isn't necessary for songs appearing on an EP release to be classified with an "EP version" comment in the database because this may only create confusion for database subscribers, not to mention become a headache for Pat to have to sort out when to classify songs as "EP version" vs. "LP version". Besides, the database continues to use "45 version" and "LP version" terminology to describe differing versions for Top 40 songs even though in the literal sense actual vinyl 45s and vinyl Long Plays (LPs) haven't been consumed by the music buying public on a widespread basis for at least the past 25 years. So with that said, I guess it makes sense to just keep things simple and continue using "LP version" as a general "catch-all" term.

I should note the reason I brought this topic up in the first place is because I was on the All Music Guide website searching for "(Keep Feeling) Fascination" on a parent vinyl LP. Initially, I couldn't find one and so I questioned why a "45 version" comment would apply here. However, it wasn't until I visited this thread that I learned about the Fascination! EP. This prompted me to go back and visit the EP section on the All Music Guide site and, lo and behold, there it was.

With that said, I'm wondering if the database should make a notation for the handful of instances where a Top 40 single appears in a different version on an EP than on the 45. For example, if the EP/LP version of "(Keep Feeling) Fascination" should ever surface on a domestic CD release, the associated comment could maybe be stated as something like: "LP version, which first appeared on the Fascination! vinyl EP".

aaronk wrote: Todd, to clarify, I don't think a separate 12" single was released. The Fascination! EP was the one-and-only source of the extended and dub versions when it was originally released. I also have this EP, and I've never come across a separate 12" single.

Upon further research, there was a promo 12" vinyl single for "(Keep Feeling) Fascination" but it doesn't appear a 12" commercial single was ever released in the U.S.

Edited by Todd Ireland]]> Wed, 17 Jul 2013 22:06:37 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6020&PID=38544&title=human-league-keep-feeling-fascination#38544 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6020&PID=38437&title=human-league-keep-feeling-fascination#38437 Author: abagon
Subject: 6020
Posted: 12 July 2013 at 8:00am

Thanks for the info.
I've never seen 12 inch size EP in the 70's releases.
Many 7 inch EP records were released in Japan in the 70's. But tone quality was too bad.

Additional mini album in the 80's.
I found one more mini album. But the below MECO's album is 10 inch size. It has "M" symbol mark in the Top Pop Albums book.

1980 MECO "Meco Plays Music From The Empire Strikes Back" RSO RO-1-3086
"The Empire Strikes Back (Medley)"

--abagon
]]> Fri, 12 Jul 2013 08:00:21 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6020&PID=38437&title=human-league-keep-feeling-fascination#38437 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6020&PID=38429&title=human-league-keep-feeling-fascination#38429 Author: musicmanatl
Subject: 6020
Posted: 11 July 2013 at 5:52pm

I wonder if the 4-song EP migrated from the UK to the US in the early 1980s. As I'm sure many of you know, the UK charted EPs as singles during that time (but I think that has changed). Demis Roussos hit #1 in the UK in 1976 with his EP, "The Roussos Phenomenon", and the Specials hit #1 in early 1980 with "The Special AKA Live!". Rockpile recorded a 4-song EP of Everly Brothers covers that was included as a bonus disc in their one LP, and that EP was included in the US issue of that LP too.

One interesting aspect of these EPs was the size of them. Some of them were the same size as a regular LP (such as the great Scandal EP) but the Rickie Lee Jones EP "Girl at Her Volcano" was about 3/4 of the size of a regular LP.

Thanks for this trip down memory lane!

Edited by musicmanatl]]> Thu, 11 Jul 2013 17:52:32 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6020&PID=38429&title=human-league-keep-feeling-fascination#38429 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6020&PID=38428&title=human-league-keep-feeling-fascination#38428 Author: crapfromthepast
Subject: 6020
Posted: 11 July 2013 at 2:15pm

In the early '80s, record companies were experimenting
with new sizes and formats in the US. Both were attempts
to introduce artists at lower price points than the
typical LPs and 45s. Neither really caught on.

One size/format was the mini-LP. In 1982, Harvest
released Duran Duran's Carnival and Thomas Dolby's
Blinded By Science. Both spawned huge hits in
1983 ("Hungry Like The Wolf" and "She Blinded Me With
Science"), which were later included on full-length LPs
by the artists. On CBS, the mini-LP Scandal,
which included "Goodbye To You" and "Love's Got A Line On
You", was reported to have been the biggest-selling EP on
the label (and possibly even to date - not sure about
that, though.)

Another size/format was the one-sided 7" single on the
CBS labels. They were sold in generic sleeves (no
picture sleeves), and had a little LP-sized hole in the
center. One side had the hit, the other side had no
grooves. There was a small flood of these in 1982-83
("Goody Two Shoes", "On The Loose", "Billie Jean",
"Sexual Healing", etc.) I don't think any of these had
special versions or particularly good or bad masterings.

(Initially, I thought that maybe the mini-LP grew out of
the 1970s 12" singles, but I decided that was incorrect.
Different price point, different audience. The 12"
singles were aimed at a club audience that wanted it for
one song. There was really no use for other LP-oriented
tracks on the 12" singles.)

I don't remember the '70s as having many significant EPs
or mini-LPs. Anyone else with a better memory?

Edited by crapfromthepast]]> Thu, 11 Jul 2013 14:15:26 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6020&PID=38428&title=human-league-keep-feeling-fascination#38428 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6020&PID=38427&title=human-league-keep-feeling-fascination#38427 Author: abagon
Subject: 6020
Posted: 11 July 2013 at 11:14am

You're welcome, Aaron!

To chat board members.
Have mini albums been released in the 70's decade?

--abagon]]> Thu, 11 Jul 2013 11:14:44 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6020&PID=38427&title=human-league-keep-feeling-fascination#38427 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6020&PID=38425&title=human-league-keep-feeling-fascination#38425 Author: aaronk
Subject: 6020
Posted: 11 July 2013 at 10:34am

Great info, abagon! Thank you for posting this!]]> Thu, 11 Jul 2013 10:34:52 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6020&PID=38425&title=human-league-keep-feeling-fascination#38425