https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ Copyright (c) 2006-2013 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Thu, 07 May 2026 01:38:16 +0000 Tue, 10 Jul 2018 00:16:46 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 12.07 360 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=6144 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum//images/Top-40-Music-on-CD-Forum-Logo.png https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6144&PID=49634&title=mariah-carey-i-still-believe#49634 Author: aaronk
Subject: 6144
Posted: 10 July 2018 at 12:16am

I don't ever recall hearing the Morales remix anywhere, other than
weekend mixshows perhaps. ]]> Tue, 10 Jul 2018 00:16:46 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6144&PID=49634&title=mariah-carey-i-still-believe#49634 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6144&PID=49633&title=mariah-carey-i-still-believe#49633 Author: PopArchivist
Subject: 6144
Posted: 09 July 2018 at 11:19pm

After reading the thread above two quick questions:

Does anyone remember radio playing the David Morales Remix Edit and is the single the only place to find the I Still Believe/Pure Imagination?

I agree with Brain W. that the album version is the 45 version.]]> Mon, 09 Jul 2018 23:19:19 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6144&PID=49633&title=mariah-carey-i-still-believe#49633 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6144&PID=32472&title=mariah-carey-i-still-believe#32472 Author: Todd Ireland
Subject: 6144
Posted: 10 January 2012 at 11:19pm

The database currently has DJ CD single info listed for "I Still Believe", but not commercial single info. The 2-track commercial CD single should probably be noted, but I'm not sure if Pat normally includes maxi-CD single info. If so, it may be worth at least mentioning that the lead track is the "Album Version". And as Paul C. pointed out, "I Still Believe" and "I Still Believe/Pure Imagination" are completely different songs despite their similar titles.

Edited by Todd Ireland]]> Tue, 10 Jan 2012 23:19:51 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6144&PID=32472&title=mariah-carey-i-still-believe#32472 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6144&PID=29558&title=mariah-carey-i-still-believe#29558 Author: Brian W.
Subject: 6144
Posted: 28 March 2011 at 2:01am

Todd Ireland wrote: So I guess a case can technically be made then that the single version could be considered either the "I Still Believe/Pure Imagination" remix featuring Krayzie Bone & Da Brat *or* the "Album Version".

True, but since there was an actual vinyl 45 for this issued in the US, complete with picture sleeve, the actual "45 version" is "I Still Believe/Pure Imagination." But even I feel that, in this rare case, the "45 version" is not the hit version -- the album version is.
]]> Mon, 28 Mar 2011 02:01:46 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6144&PID=29558&title=mariah-carey-i-still-believe#29558 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6144&PID=29524&title=mariah-carey-i-still-believe#29524 Author: Todd Ireland
Subject: 6144
Posted: 26 March 2011 at 11:07pm

Thanks, Paul Haney, for confirming the 5-track commercial maxi-CD single release of "I Still Believe" featuring the "Album Version" as the lead track. So I guess a case can technically be made then that the single version could be considered either the "I Still Believe/Pure Imagination" remix featuring Krayzie Bone & Da Brat *or* the "Album Version".]]> Sat, 26 Mar 2011 23:07:41 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6144&PID=29524&title=mariah-carey-i-still-believe#29524 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6144&PID=29511&title=mariah-carey-i-still-believe#29511 Author: Paul Haney
Subject: 6144
Posted: 26 March 2011 at 4:30am

Paul C did an excellent job of summing up this whole situation. I agree that the note in the R&B book is incorrect. We should probably show the Columbia 79104 information in the Top Pop Singles book and the Columbia 79093 information in the R&B book.

Edited by Paul Haney]]> Sat, 26 Mar 2011 04:30:58 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6144&PID=29511&title=mariah-carey-i-still-believe#29511 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6144&PID=29509&title=mariah-carey-i-still-believe#29509 Author: Paul C
Subject: 6144
Posted: 25 March 2011 at 5:33pm

This is a rare example of a song for which the pop hit does not appear on the two-track commercial single at all.

Brian W. discussed the song in this thread:
http://www.top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=114


My U.S. promo CD single (Columbia CSK 41802) contains the following tracks:
1. Album Version
2. Stevie J. Remix Edit featuring Mocha & Amil
3. Damizza Reemix [sic] Edit featuring Krayzie Bone & Da Brat
4. David Morales Remix Edit
5. Album Version Callout Hook #1
6. Album Version Callout Hook #2
Note that both the callout hooks are from the album version.

On the Hot 100, "I Still Believe" charted for its first three weeks as an album cut (only a few weeks after such songs became eiligible for the chart). As Paul Haney states, most pop stations played the album version while most R&B stations played the Damizza Reemix which is, as Brian states, actually titled "I Still Believe/Pure Imagination" and is, except for the words "I Still Believe" really a completely different song. (It credits two additional songwriters and a completely different producer.)

The song was then released as the commercial maxi-single Paul Haney describes above (Columbia 79104). Starting with its fourth week on the Hot 100, the song was listed as Columbia 79104.

Shortly thereafter, the two-track commercial single Ed describes was released (Columbia 79093). The A-side was the R&B hit and the B-side was, as far as I can detect, the same as the David Morales Remix Edit on the promo CD. (The latter is a more conventional remix of the original version. It at least has the same lyrics). Starting with its sixth week on the Hot 100, the song was listed as Columbia 79093. The producer credits, however, continued to be listed as "S. Jordan, M. Mason" and the songwriting credits as "A. Armato, B. Cantarelli". This describes only the album version, eventhough this version does not even appear on Columbia 79093. The producers of the two tracks on the two-track single are Damizza (Track 1) and David Morales (Track 2). As previously stated, track 1 also credits two additional songwriters.

As Paul Haney states, the R&B chart showed the song title as "I Still Believe/Pure Imagination", which is how it is listed in Hot R&B Songs 1942-2010 (which came out just a couple of months ago). The book also states, however, that the B-side of Columbia 79093 was a #4 pop hit and tha the "B-side is the regular solo version on both the 45 and CD single." I don't really agree with this statement. The B-side of Columbia 79093 is as Ed states above, while the pop hit and "regular solo version" is the album version, which is the lead track on both the promo CD and the maxi-single but does not appear on the two-track commercial single.]]> Fri, 25 Mar 2011 17:33:23 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6144&PID=29509&title=mariah-carey-i-still-believe#29509 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6144&PID=29508&title=mariah-carey-i-still-believe#29508 Author: edtop40
Subject: 6144
Posted: 25 March 2011 at 5:08pm

but the catalog number from the billboard charts from that period, is the one i have columbia 79093 and NOT the one you have, columbia 79104......so wouldn't the first track from the single format from the time, from the catalog on the charts, in this case, cd single be the version that's considered the true single version?]]> Fri, 25 Mar 2011 17:08:24 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6144&PID=29508&title=mariah-carey-i-still-believe#29508 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6144&PID=29507&title=mariah-carey-i-still-believe#29507 Author: Paul Haney
Subject: 6144
Posted: 25 March 2011 at 1:47pm

Pat Downey wrote: But if it is the first track on the commercial cd single how can it be the "B" side Paul? Does anyone have a dj copy of this cd single? Anyone else wish to chime in on this situation?

OK, I've looked into this one some more.

Turns out there were 2 different commercial CD singles for this one.

The one from Ed's original post and this one:

Columbia 79104

1. Album Version (listed 3:55, actual 3:54)
2. Stevie J. Clean Remix Featuring Mocha & Amil (listed & actual 5:04)
3. Morales' Classic Club Mix (listed & Actual 9:02)
4. I Still Believe/Pure Imagination - Damizza Reemix Featuring Krayzie Bone & Da Brat (listed 4:32, actual 4:31)
5. The Kings Mix (listed & actual 8:04)

Now, obviously CHR radio was playing the Album Version (which is cut #1 above), so this is the one we show in the Hot 100 Annual. I will change the time from (3:51) to (3:54).

The R&B chart always showed the title as "I Still Believe/Pure Imagination" (which is cut #4 above) and so that's the title as we show it in the R&B book.

I do not have a promo single for this.

Edited by Paul Haney]]> Fri, 25 Mar 2011 13:47:15 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6144&PID=29507&title=mariah-carey-i-still-believe#29507 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6144&PID=29506&title=mariah-carey-i-still-believe#29506 Author: Pat Downey
Subject: 6144
Posted: 25 March 2011 at 9:47am

But if it is the first track on the commercial cd single how can it be the "B" side Paul? Does anyone have a dj copy of this cd single? Anyone else wish to chime in on this situation?

Edited by Pat Downey]]> Fri, 25 Mar 2011 09:47:21 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6144&PID=29506&title=mariah-carey-i-still-believe#29506