https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ Copyright (c) 2006-2013 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Thu, 07 May 2026 16:59:08 +0000 Sun, 12 Feb 2017 07:05:35 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 12.07 360 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=6543 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum//images/Top-40-Music-on-CD-Forum-Logo.png https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6543&PID=46927&title=jacksons-torture#46927 Author: aaronk
Subject: 6543
Posted: 12 February 2017 at 7:05am

I recently bought a copy of Victory for the same reason, but it cannot be
edited to create the 45 version. The LP version fades too soon, so
some of the ad libs heard on the 45 are not found on the LP. I ended
up ordering the UK Very Best Of, which has the correct 45 version. ]]> Sun, 12 Feb 2017 07:05:35 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6543&PID=46927&title=jacksons-torture#46927 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6543&PID=46926&title=jacksons-torture#46926 Author: JL328
Subject: 6543
Posted: 12 February 2017 at 5:32am

I'm having a little trouble with "Torture."

It's always been my understanding that the 45 version is an edit of the LP
version with the ad libs. It's got a primary edit that runs from about 3:41.7
to 3:56.4. And then the 45 and LP version match up until we get into the
Jackie Jackson ad libs.

At about 4:05-4:06 on the 45 (4:20-4:21 on the LP), he sings "When you
call my name" in a bit of a falsetto, and then sings "Hey" and draws out the
sound. That's where I have a problem. On the 45, it's a bit of a slow "Hey...
ay... ay... ay" type of thing. On the LP, it's a bit of a faster "Heyeyeyey." I'm
sorry, but I really don't know how to describe it in writing. The 45 also has
some pretty prominent "karate" sound effects (I guess somebody being
tortured) over this part. To me, the vocal just doesn't match. Anybody else
notice this or am I crazy?

So, then I thought perhaps this was an edit, but I can't find the slower "hey"
ad lib anywhere on the LP version, although Jackie does start to go into one
in the fade out.

I appreciate any thoughts.
]]> Sun, 12 Feb 2017 05:32:50 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6543&PID=46926&title=jacksons-torture#46926 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6543&PID=41088&title=jacksons-torture#41088 Author: waldo
Subject: 6543
Posted: 16 April 2014 at 3:29pm

nope. first UK edition has 45 versions. it only has a few
unique ones anyway. Torture, Show You The Way To Go. the
true State Of Shock single timing out at 4:05 appears on
these CD comps.

Back To The 80's [Dutch 4-CD Compilation Columbia -
486718 2] (1996)

Back To The US Of A [European 4-CD Compilation Sony Music
Media - 494734 2] (1999)

Back To The 80's - Volume 2 [Dutch 2-CD Compilation
Reissue Sony Music Media - 4867181] (2004)

De 100 Grootste Car Classics ... Allertijden [Dutch 5-CD
Compilation] (2006)
]]> Wed, 16 Apr 2014 15:29:42 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6543&PID=41088&title=jacksons-torture#41088 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6543&PID=37767&title=jacksons-torture#37767 Author: Fetta
Subject: 6543
Posted: 25 May 2013 at 12:03pm

waldo wrote: i have this one.. Jacksons, The – The Very Best Of The Jacksons be careful there are TWO different versions of this compilation.. one with single edits and one with album versions.. Album versions

Does anyone know how to tell the difference between these two versions of "The Very Best Of The Jacksons"?
For some reason, I thought that the Australian version was the one with the 45 mixes on it (specifically State of Shock and Torture) and of course, $30 later (and a long ship time from Australia), I get my copy and it has all Album versions.
Would love some insight on how to tell the difference between the one with Album versions and the one with 45 versions.

Thanks all!

-Jeff

Edited by Fetta]]> Sat, 25 May 2013 12:03:19 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6543&PID=37767&title=jacksons-torture#37767 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6543&PID=35908&title=jacksons-torture#35908 Author: budaniel
Subject: 6543
Posted: 15 November 2012 at 8:16pm

Hey waldo,

don't know if you got your copy of Dance Classics yet, but I received mine, and I noticed that torture is faded about 10 seconds earlier than it is on my 12" vinyl single. There are about three bars of music missing from the fade.]]> Thu, 15 Nov 2012 20:16:29 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6543&PID=35908&title=jacksons-torture#35908 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6543&PID=35795&title=jacksons-torture#35795 Author: waldo
Subject: 6543
Posted: 01 November 2012 at 4:44pm

thanks aaronk and 80smusicfreak for confirming that US
copies w and w/o the ad-libs exist.

thanks budaniel for letting me know about Rodeo Media]]> Thu, 01 Nov 2012 16:44:13 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6543&PID=35795&title=jacksons-torture#35795 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6543&PID=35794&title=jacksons-torture#35794 Author: 80smusicfreak
Subject: 6543
Posted: 01 November 2012 at 3:27pm

aaronk is correct; the first pressings of the
Victory CD made for the U.S. market on Epic EK
38946 DO NOT contain Jackie Jackson's ad-libs at the end
of "Torture". In fact, I have one right here in front of
me as I type this (found it while out on my record-store
travels about six months ago)...

What's key to remember here is where the CD format was at
when this album first came out - i.e., its infancy. The
vinyl LP & cassette of Victory were released
simultaneously here in the U.S. in early July of '84
(bought the cassette version myself at that time); those
first presings DID NOT contain the ad-libs on "Torture".
Of course, being the superstar act that they were, it was
a no-brainer that Epic/CBS wanted to release the album on
the fledgling CD as well. However, because the digital
format was still so young (barely a year on the U.S.
market, at that point), and w/ no CD pressing plants here
in the U.S. (yet), like w/ all other new titles being
released on CD in '84, the CD version of Victory
didn't hit store shelves until about 4-6 weeks AFTER the
LP & cassette, probably sometime in August. Epic/CBS
hadn't yet put the ad-lib version of "Torture" on the
album, so those first pressings of the CD don't have the
ad-libs, either. I don't know exactly when Epic/CBS made
the changeover to the ad-lib version, but I'm guessing it
was in either 1985 or '86, and of course, it was made to
all three formats...

Prior to the summer of '85 (i.e., the first full two
years that CDs were available on the U.S. market) - which
is when the first U.S. CD pressing plant opened - we
Americans relied primarily on Japan & West Germany for
manufacturing our CDs. And in the case of CBS, they used
only Japan. Therefore, if you want the U.S. CD version of
Victory WITHOUT the ad-libs, you'll need to find
one of those first Japan-for-U.S. pressings. Now, do the
first U.S.-for-U.S. pressings (which would've been
manufactured by DADC) made in 1985 or '86 contain the
version of "Torture" w/o the ad-libs??? I don't know, but
I seriously doubt it. I realize waldo is in the U.K., so
I don't expect him to know all of this, but this would
explain why he hasn't seen a U.S. pressing of
Victory w/o the ad-libs, as this is where things
get a bit technical (since the first U.S. CDs actually
say "MANUFACTURED IN JAPAN" on them). This logic also
applies when attempting to track down first pressings of
such CDs as Whitney Houston's 1985 s/t debut and Heart's
s/t album on Capitol from '85, among others (both of
which also contain different versions of some of their
hits)...

Anyway, my copy happens to be one of those first Japan-
for-U.S. pressings, which is also marked by having a
smooth-edged jewel case (vs. ribbed). "Torture" runs
(4:52) on my copy. So yes, Pat will indeed need to update
the database for this one...

Oh, and for aaronk, Pat, waldo, or anyone else who wants
one of these first CD pressings of Victory made
for the U.S. market w/o the ad-libs on "Torture", there
are actually no less than THREE copies currently listed
on eBay:

1) from seller "echobunny2000" (item #300796784707)
($14.00 + shipping)
2) from seller "mjawrp" (item #290782730253) ($17.99,
inc. shipping)
3) from seller "jankuffo" (item #150895316808) (roughly
$21.00 + shipping)

I've bought from "echobunny2000" in the past, w/ no
problems. In fact, the various pictures in his listing do
a great job of explaining what I mean about the key
details to look for when attempting to identify one of
these early pressings. Oh, and even though "jankuffo" is
located in the Netherlands, his copy is indeed a Japan-
for-U.S. pressing, as he describes (can tell from his
pics). And for those who also insist on a matrix no. (or
two), note that "echobunny2000" states that his is "35
8P-50 31A5"; mine is "35 8P-50 31A1"...

Good luck, and this concludes today's lesson, lol... :-)]]> Thu, 01 Nov 2012 15:27:33 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6543&PID=35794&title=jacksons-torture#35794 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6543&PID=35793&title=jacksons-torture#35793 Author: budaniel
Subject: 6543
Posted: 01 November 2012 at 1:25pm

The Dance Classics series by Rodeo Media is mastered from vinyl (and I assume from CD in cases where songs are available on CD). But they sound quality is absolutely fantastic. No dirty records used on the series.]]> Thu, 01 Nov 2012 13:25:58 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6543&PID=35793&title=jacksons-torture#35793 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6543&PID=35792&title=jacksons-torture#35792 Author: aaronk
Subject: 6543
Posted: 01 November 2012 at 11:58am

I'm glad this came back up, because the database currently does not note that there are two different LP versions--one with and one without the ad-libs at the end. I forgot about obtaining the matrix number of the "Victory" CD without the ad-libs, but it does exist. My friend who owns it bought it when it was first released back in the mid-80s.

Does anyone own the vinyl LP that does not have the ad-libs?

Also, where do the ad-libs start on this version? On the 45, they start 30 seconds before the tail end of the fade. On the 12" single, they start 59 seconds before the end of the fade.]]> Thu, 01 Nov 2012 11:58:22 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6543&PID=35792&title=jacksons-torture#35792 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6543&PID=35791&title=jacksons-torture#35791 Author: waldo
Subject: 6543
Posted: 01 November 2012 at 10:00am

Torture 12" FIRST time on CD..

have ordered it.. hope it's not a needle drop. timing on
the label was always 6:15.

http://www.discogs.com/Various-Dance-Classics-Pop-Edition-
Vol-8/release/3981230

Edited by waldo]]> Thu, 01 Nov 2012 10:00:17 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6543&PID=35791&title=jacksons-torture#35791