https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ Copyright (c) 2006-2013 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Mon, 04 May 2026 10:02:25 +0000 Wed, 13 Apr 2022 23:46:21 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 12.07 360 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=671 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum//images/Top-40-Music-on-CD-Forum-Logo.png https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=671&PID=60687&title=gypsy-fleetwood-mac#60687 Author: Paul Haney
Subject: 671
Posted: 13 April 2022 at 11:46pm

"Physical" also peaked at #2 in The Gavin Report (which was also based on airplay). Also, "Gypsy" peaked at #2 in
Gavin. One reason that some of these songs didn't peak as high in Billboard had to do with their "rule" that a record
couldn't drop until it lost its bullet. Therefore, you have records spending multiple weeks at a peak position,
blocking others from moving up.]]> Wed, 13 Apr 2022 23:46:21 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=671&PID=60687&title=gypsy-fleetwood-mac#60687 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=671&PID=60683&title=gypsy-fleetwood-mac#60683 Author: thecdguy
Subject: 671
Posted: 13 April 2022 at 12:33pm

Scanner wrote: It is unfortunate that Billboard did not publish the Hot 100 Sales and Airplay charts back then. Once they did, they offered a fascinating insight as to why each song was charting where it did on the Hot 100 and what was - and was not - contributing to its chart position. ("Physical" is the best example of not knowing - only #2 in R&R, but an 8-10 week #1 on all the other charts. Were the single's sales that massive?)

"Physical" was known to have been banned by some stations
for its "suggestive" lyrics, and frankly I'm surprised it
got as high as it did in R&R. It was certified Platinum,
which at the time meant at least two million copies sold,
so no doubt its sales helped it stay #1 as long as it
did. ]]> Wed, 13 Apr 2022 12:33:28 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=671&PID=60683&title=gypsy-fleetwood-mac#60683 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=671&PID=60682&title=gypsy-fleetwood-mac#60682 Author: AndrewChouffi
Subject: 671
Posted: 13 April 2022 at 12:31pm

KentT wrote: Rarely did a radio station get a master dub, only in very special situations and if they had major pull with a record label.

"Rarely" may be the correct word, however a couple of
stations in my secondary market got quite a few of them,
and Aaron mentioned in a post right after mine that he knew
someone in radio that had a closet full of them, so they do
exist in some cases (I was just speculating on "Gypsy" in
that particular case).

Andy ]]> Wed, 13 Apr 2022 12:31:34 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=671&PID=60682&title=gypsy-fleetwood-mac#60682 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=671&PID=60681&title=gypsy-fleetwood-mac#60681 Author: Scanner
Subject: 671
Posted: 13 April 2022 at 12:21pm

It is unfortunate that Billboard did not publish the Hot
100 Sales and Airplay charts back then. Once they did,
they offered a fascinating insight as to why each song
was charting where it did on the Hot 100 and what was -
and was not - contributing to its chart position.
("Physical" is the best example of not knowing - only #2
in R&R, but an 8-10 week #1 on all the other charts.
Were the single's sales that massive?)

"Mirage" album sales may have curtailed "Gypsy" single
sales. But, sales of "Rumours" (which endured at #1 much
longer than "Mirage") did not seem to impact all of FM's
singles from "Rumours" which had more comparable Top 10
peaks in both Billboard and R&R. If anything, I would
have expected anything "Mirage" related - album or single
- to sell well as the album and its singles were a return
to form for FM after the frankly odd "Tusk" album.]]> Wed, 13 Apr 2022 12:21:31 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=671&PID=60681&title=gypsy-fleetwood-mac#60681 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=671&PID=60678&title=gypsy-fleetwood-mac#60678 Author: KentT
Subject: 671
Posted: 13 April 2022 at 9:13am

AndrewChouffi wrote: TM Century certainly on occasion dubs from clean vinyl. TM Century (and certain powerful radio stations) had access to select reel-to-reel "dub of masters" in the 80s. That was a period in time (pre-CD) when some radio stations were concerned about sound quality and getting annoyed with scratchy vinyl sound on-the-air. Andy

They did not have master tape dubs. They dubbed LP discs
and declicked them via editing tape, then by using CEDAR.
Rarely did a radio station get a master dub, only in very
special situations and if they had major pull with a
record label. ]]> Wed, 13 Apr 2022 09:13:22 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=671&PID=60678&title=gypsy-fleetwood-mac#60678 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=671&PID=60677&title=gypsy-fleetwood-mac#60677 Author: AndrewChouffi
Subject: 671
Posted: 13 April 2022 at 8:08am

Scanner wrote: There have always been some glaring disparities between Billboard (sales + airplay) versus R&R (airplay only) Pop charts. "Gypsy" is one of those topping the R&R chart, but not even reaching the Billboard Top 10 peaking at # 12. For this song, why was there such a difference? "Gypsy" is still a presence on radio 40 years later. You would think its radio success would have translated to much better sales for the song back during its chart run in 1982.

Scanner, it's hard to do any meaningful comparison of the
different charts back then because every magazine had a
different panel of reporters. I've been told that R&R in
the early-to-mid 80s had probably the "best" panel of
radio reporters as they were not afraid to drop you from
reporting status if you had a couple of bad quarterly
books...

In addition, some hit airplay records just lent
themselves to single sales, while others like "Gypsy"
were a 2nd single from a hit album by a 'name' group.
Many people who really liked the song already owned it
because they bought the album around the time of the
saturation airplay of "Hold Me", or they bought the album
because there were now two hit songs on the same album by
Fleetwood Mac (who were known by then to have very good
albums).

Andy

]]> Wed, 13 Apr 2022 08:08:38 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=671&PID=60677&title=gypsy-fleetwood-mac#60677 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=671&PID=60676&title=gypsy-fleetwood-mac#60676 Author: Scanner
Subject: 671
Posted: 13 April 2022 at 6:53am

There have always been some glaring disparities between
Billboard (sales + airplay) versus R&R (airplay only) Pop
charts. "Gypsy" is one of those topping the R&R chart, but
not even reaching the Billboard Top 10 peaking at # 12.
For this song, why was there such a difference? "Gypsy" is
still a presence on radio 40 years later. You would think
its radio success would have translated to much better
sales for the song back during its chart run in 1982.]]> Wed, 13 Apr 2022 06:53:18 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=671&PID=60676&title=gypsy-fleetwood-mac#60676 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=671&PID=52538&title=gypsy-fleetwood-mac#52538 Author: Vince
Subject: 671
Posted: 29 August 2019 at 11:23pm

Thanks Aaron.    ]]> Thu, 29 Aug 2019 23:23:03 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=671&PID=52538&title=gypsy-fleetwood-mac#52538 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=671&PID=52460&title=gypsy-fleetwood-mac#52460 Author: aaronk
Subject: 671
Posted: 23 August 2019 at 6:24am

I just compared the LP version, single version (dubbed from my 45), and the Video Version from the expanded reissue. All are the same mix. (By contrast, the even-longer Alternate Unedited Version from "25 Years: The Chain" is a slightly different mix.)

If you want to use the Video Version to create the 45 version, simply remove 3:08 to 3:37 with your edit just before the word "comes" in both places. Also remove 3:54 to 4:23 on the snare hit.

Having done this, I can tell the Video Version uses a noticeably higher generation tape, and there are some minor dropouts. The Video Version also fades a few seconds earlier than the 45. For me, I had a much better and more closely matched result inserting a short section of my 45 dub. Switching between the LP version on CD and Video Version is obvious to my ears, but it's pretty seamless when going from the CD LP version to my 45.]]> Fri, 23 Aug 2019 06:24:59 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=671&PID=52460&title=gypsy-fleetwood-mac#52460 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=671&PID=52458&title=gypsy-fleetwood-mac#52458 Author: aaronk
Subject: 671
Posted: 22 August 2019 at 10:36pm

Welcome to the forum, Vince! I think you may be onto something here. I
think the Video Version is the same mix as the LP version but longer
(unedited). I haven't tried it myself, but perhaps both the single version
and LP version were edited from this slightly longer take. ]]> Thu, 22 Aug 2019 22:36:18 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=671&PID=52458&title=gypsy-fleetwood-mac#52458