https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ Copyright (c) 2006-2013 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Thu, 09 Apr 2026 19:48:23 +0000 Sun, 18 Oct 2020 09:14:51 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 12.07 360 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=678 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum//images/Top-40-Music-on-CD-Forum-Logo.png https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=678&PID=56253&title=george-baker-little-green-bag#56253 Author: crapfromthepast
Subject: 678
Posted: 18 October 2020 at 9:14am

Disky is a reputable label overseas.

The series that you have is an above-average collection for what it is. I have a few of the '80s years, and overall, they have decent mastering.

I don't know what "Little Green Bag" sounds like on this set, though.]]> Sun, 18 Oct 2020 09:14:51 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=678&PID=56253&title=george-baker-little-green-bag#56253 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=678&PID=56240&title=george-baker-little-green-bag#56240 Author: Robert
Subject: 678
Posted: 17 October 2020 at 12:42pm

Seems I've got this on an import series on Disky ("Best of 1970-72") and GB was on it. Does anyone have this series and can you shed some light on this?]]> Sat, 17 Oct 2020 12:42:37 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=678&PID=56240&title=george-baker-little-green-bag#56240 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=678&PID=56222&title=george-baker-little-green-bag#56222 Author: Brian W.
Subject: 678
Posted: 13 October 2020 at 3:34pm

The full-length mono version is available on a 25th
Anniversary release of the album from earlier this year,
but it's expensive... like $35. It is available as a
download only on the Netherlands version of 7Digital.

But I tried and tried to download it the song, and I
couldn't... I used a proxy server, I used a VPN. Always
got to the checkout and it said "can't connect to
PayPal." It must have some way of knowing I'm not in
the Netherlands, even though I'm not getting that error
message.

Edited by Brian W.]]> Tue, 13 Oct 2020 15:34:01 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=678&PID=56222&title=george-baker-little-green-bag#56222 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=678&PID=56217&title=george-baker-little-green-bag#56217 Author: MMathews
Subject: 678
Posted: 12 October 2020 at 4:37pm

I should point out one other difference between the mono
and stereo versions. The stereo mix has a different
cowbell track than the mono mix.

It is difficult tell by A/B comparison, I discovered this
by syncing them together. So besides being faded early,
that is another difference in the stereo LP version.

MM ]]> Mon, 12 Oct 2020 16:37:01 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=678&PID=56217&title=george-baker-little-green-bag#56217 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=678&PID=56208&title=george-baker-little-green-bag#56208 Author: crapfromthepast
Subject: 678
Posted: 11 October 2020 at 8:37pm

This post just documents findings, which really aren't that significant for this track.

Mono LP version (4:26)

I found this in Aaron's collection.

In the US, the closest you can get is the 1993 Collectables CD release of the Little Green Bag album, which runs 4:24, but is in fake stereo. I don't know if you can extract nice-sounding mono by using one of the two channels of this release.

Discogs shows additional CD releases of the full album in the Netherlands, with release dates of 2005, 2014, and 2020. No idea what's on these, although the 2020 release is a deluxe edition that includes the original 1970 album, and a whole disc of singles, B-sides and rarities. One track is "Little Green Bag (US Single Edit)", and another is "Little Green Bag (Single Version Stereo)".

Mono 45 version (3:19)

You can edit the mono 45 from the mono LP version, by keeping 0:00-1:52, 1:57-2:30, 2:49-3:29, and 4:09 to the end. If you then hasten the fade by about five seconds, you'll have the mono 45 version.

Eric Records has done us all a favor by including the mono 45 version on Hard To Find 45s On CD Vol. 17 Late Sixties Classics (2017). Best to just get this disc and be done with it.

Stereo LP version (3:58)

I should point out that I don't know in what country or countries this was actually released, or if it was released as an LP or a 45. Let's just call it the "stereo LP version" for convenience.

This turns up on EMI Australia's 5-CD Seventies Complete Vol. 2 (1999), where it runs significantly faster than Aaron's file of the mono LP version. It follows the same structure as the mono LP version, but fades from 3:49 to 3:57. (Those fade point match up to 3:55 and 4:02 on the mono LP version, due to the speed difference.) It sounds pretty bad on this disc, with seemingly very high-generation source tapes being used.

Stereo edit of LP version that doesn't quite match up with the mono 45 (3:15)

You can't edit (what I called) the stereo LP version to match the mono 45, because the mono 45 uses the very end of the mono LP version, after the stereo LP version has faded out. The last portion of the mono 45 simply doesn't exist in stereo.

You can get this edit from the stereo LP version, by keeping 0:00-1:50, 1:55-2:26, 2:45-3:24, and 3:44 to the end, without having to hasten the fade. It's a pretty good edit, and unless you know the 45 version really well, it doesn't sound jarring at all.

I can say that Rhino didn't create this edit, because it existed on CD before the Have A Nice Day disc.

As far as I know, it first appeard on JCI's Groovin' Sixties (1987), where it sounds pretty good. Nice dynamic range, decent EQ, no evidence of noise reduction on the fade.

It appeared next on PolyTel Canada's 2-CD Ready To Rock (1988), which I obtained in the late '80s as a mail-order disc through Silver Eagle Records. It sounds hideous here.

Next, it turned up on Rhino's Have A Nice Day Vol. 2 (1990), with sound quality comparable to the JCI disc. The same analog transfer is used on:

• Rhino's budget Seventies Smash Hits Vol. 2 (1993) - digitally identical
• Time-Life's Sounds Of The Seventies Vol. 32 AM Pop Classics (1993)

For reference, although I don't know who'd actually need this information, the edit points on the Have A Nice Day Vol. 2 disc occur at 1:51.3, 2:23.7 (I think), and 3:03.5.

I would guess that all the compilations (except the Eric disc) use the same analog transfer as Have A Nice Day, but I can't confirm.]]> Sun, 11 Oct 2020 20:37:45 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=678&PID=56208&title=george-baker-little-green-bag#56208 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=678&PID=38796&title=george-baker-little-green-bag#38796 Author: edtop40
Subject: 678
Posted: 11 August 2013 at 6:54am

my commercial 45 for the george baker selection song
'little green bag' issued as colossus 112 states the run
time on the label as 3:21 but actually runs 3:19......john
was kind enough to edit the mono lp version to match the
vinyl 45.....so it CAN be done.....his version runs
slightly faster at 3:17, if you slow it down by 0:02 you'll
have the vinyl 45 version.....thanks john!!!]]> Sun, 11 Aug 2013 06:54:48 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=678&PID=38796&title=george-baker-little-green-bag#38796 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=678&PID=7006&title=george-baker-little-green-bag#7006 Author: aaronk
Subject: 678
Posted: 28 August 2006 at 3:11pm

I just picked up an import 2-track CD single that has "Little Green Bag" running (3:24). Unfortunately, this is the stereo LP version faded early. I would not recommend picking this one up.]]> Mon, 28 Aug 2006 15:11:40 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=678&PID=7006&title=george-baker-little-green-bag#7006 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=678&PID=6876&title=george-baker-little-green-bag#6876 Author: TomDiehl1
Subject: 678
Posted: 15 August 2006 at 4:17am

Maybe Jerry Ross still has the session tapes. Who knows. Such an oddity like Abergavenny by Shannon has turned up in stereo on a cd from Australia (and a UK lp too) so sometimes things can turn up in the oddest places...]]> Tue, 15 Aug 2006 04:17:30 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=678&PID=6876&title=george-baker-little-green-bag#6876 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=678&PID=6873&title=george-baker-little-green-bag#6873 Author: jimct
Subject: 678
Posted: 14 August 2006 at 7:24pm

TomDiehl1 wrote: Whether you add on the mono 45 ending or the ending from the mono lp, it still can't be considered the stereo 45 version, if the end piece is still in mono.....

Tom: My 1970 Colossus 45 is in mono. I have no DJ 45 on it. When you refer to the "Stereo 45 version", unless it's on one side of the 1970 DJ 45, I do not believe the true U.S. 45 version has EVER been released in stereo. Since Aaron says the 45 version can ONLY be recreated from the mono LP, not the stereo, I believe the goal here is to obtain better mono 45 version sound by editing from the mono vinyl LP, as opposed to dubbing off of a styrene 45. Tom, I know you are a stereo guy, but I don't believe anyone to date is claiming to be able to put together a correct "stereo 45 version" here. What would they use as the stereo 45 version "source audio?" To my knowledge, a correct, legitimate version didn't exist back in '70, and doesn't exist now, despite numerous flawed CD attempts and a '70 stereo LP release. "Hybrid" mixes, desired by some, are what they are - the best that can be accurately re-created. No one is claiming that a combo, hybrid mix has ANY hope of meeting "stereophile" standards. It's impossible when required 45 source audio is ONLY found in mono. And unless you're a supergroup, how often does "bonus" session tapes ever see the light of day? I'm not holding my breath.]]> Mon, 14 Aug 2006 19:24:32 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=678&PID=6873&title=george-baker-little-green-bag#6873 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=678&PID=6867&title=george-baker-little-green-bag#6867 Author: davidclark
Subject: 678
Posted: 14 August 2006 at 4:27pm

well....

after what I thought was the LP version, I just discovered it runs 3:59 (it is a stereo version, the LP version faded early, the source of which I do not know...), I just discovered by listening to my long mono version that IT is the LP version running 4:28 and, it does indeed contain the end bit of the 45 (starting at about 4:09)! man!!

thanks for making me look, Aaron! Guess being in Thailand when the post first appeared had me at a disadvantage being away from most of my library...couldn't verify!

Edited by davidclark]]> Mon, 14 Aug 2006 16:27:10 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=678&PID=6867&title=george-baker-little-green-bag#6867