https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ Copyright (c) 2006-2013 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Thu, 07 May 2026 10:06:41 +0000 Fri, 28 Jul 2017 12:25:09 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 12.07 360 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=6796 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum//images/Top-40-Music-on-CD-Forum-Logo.png https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6796&PID=47786&title=gladys-knight-where-peaceful-waters-flow#47786 Author: Yah Shure
Subject: 6796
Posted: 28 July 2017 at 12:25pm

edtop40 wrote: ......it also has 'good sound' in script further around the groove....there must be two different pressings......

That actually reads "Bell Sound", which was the NYC recording studio that cut the lacquer for the 45. My styrene stock 45 matches Paul's, which is a Monarch pressing from Los Angeles. In addition to the "delta 91660" number and the "Bell Sound" script logo, there's also the Monarch logo: a co-joined "MR" inside a circle.

While I don't have a vinyl-pressed copy of "Peaceful Waters," I do have multiple copies of a Kama Sutra single that debuted on the Hot 100 just one week later: "Brother Louie." My stock copy is a styrene Monarch pressing with the same style of deadwax details as the "Peaceful Waters" Monarch 45 above. My promo copy is vinyl, with the same "SON" inscription Ed had on his "Peaceful Waters" 45 (The "SON" stood for Sonic Recording Products, which was located in Holbrook, NY, on Long Island, at the time.) But aside from the markings specific to those two particular pressing plants, everything else about the actual cuttings matches, meaning the plates used at the respective east and west coast pressing plants had been sourced from the same, NYC-cut Bell Sound lacquer. Odds are excellent that the same had also been true for the "Peaceful Waters" 45.

In any event, it's great to know we're now in agreement as to where peaceful wah-wahs flow. ;)

BTW, here's a way you can often tell at a glance that a 45 was cut on Bell Sound studio's 45 lathe, without even looking at the deadwax: the lead-in groove area is noticeably wider than what you'll find on almost all other late-'60s and '70s 45s, and it takes about three revolutions to get from the outer edge of the record to the playing area. In addition to many Buddah and (post-MGM-distributed) Kama Sutra 45s, you're also likely to encounter Bell Sound-cut 45s on the London Records family of labels from that period, as well as the Amy/Mala/Bell group (no relation to Bell Sound Studios.)     ]]> Fri, 28 Jul 2017 12:25:09 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6796&PID=47786&title=gladys-knight-where-peaceful-waters-flow#47786 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6796&PID=47785&title=gladys-knight-where-peaceful-waters-flow#47785 Author: edtop40
Subject: 6796
Posted: 27 July 2017 at 2:32pm

ok, mark was more specific in his review of the song and
it's on the immediate intro that the guitar wah-wah is
missing from the vinyl 45 version.....thanks everyone here
for there patience with me on this one.....i will now agree
that the 45 intro is different than the cd intro....]]> Thu, 27 Jul 2017 14:32:39 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6796&PID=47785&title=gladys-knight-where-peaceful-waters-flow#47785 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6796&PID=47782&title=gladys-knight-where-peaceful-waters-flow#47782 Author: edtop40
Subject: 6796
Posted: 26 July 2017 at 3:50pm

my commercial 45 issued as buddah 363 is also very hard to
read and has 'BDAS-363-A SON S - 3794'....i do not see the
inscription 91660 anywhere in the groove......it also has
'good sound' in script further around the groove....there
must be two different pressings......

Paul C....can i send you a copy of my vinyl 45 for your
analysis?

]]> Wed, 26 Jul 2017 15:50:38 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6796&PID=47782&title=gladys-knight-where-peaceful-waters-flow#47782 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6796&PID=47776&title=gladys-knight-where-peaceful-waters-flow#47776 Author: Paul C
Subject: 6796
Posted: 25 July 2017 at 3:03pm

I've once again compared my U.S. commercial 45 with the common CD version, and there is definitely an extra guitar present throughout the song on the CD version that is not on my 45. The only change I would make from my initial post is that the extra guitar on the CD version is there in addition to the acoustic guitar and not in place of it. Since the difference is not subtle (it's obvious from the very first note) and Ed doesn't detect it, it looks like there were two different commercial 45s.

The matrix number on my 45 is not easy to read, but it appears to be BDAS-363A followed by a 2 in a circle. Elsewhere in the runout groove there is a triangle followed by 91660.]]> Tue, 25 Jul 2017 15:03:07 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6796&PID=47776&title=gladys-knight-where-peaceful-waters-flow#47776 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6796&PID=47774&title=gladys-knight-where-peaceful-waters-flow#47774 Author: Pat Downey
Subject: 6796
Posted: 24 July 2017 at 9:02pm

Ed it would certainly help if you would proved matrix numbers when you think there may be two different pressings of a vinyl 45. The differences are immediately obvious on my vinyl 45 and the cd Very Best Of on Special Music. There is a wah wah effect on an electric guitar on the introduction on the Very Best Of on Special Music and all other cd's for that matter that is not present on my vinyl 45. Matrix number on my dj 45 is BDAS-363LA-2 on the stereo side and BDA-A-2 on the mono side. Neither side has the wah wah guitar on the introduction.]]> Mon, 24 Jul 2017 21:02:15 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6796&PID=47774&title=gladys-knight-where-peaceful-waters-flow#47774 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6796&PID=47773&title=gladys-knight-where-peaceful-waters-flow#47773 Author: edtop40
Subject: 6796
Posted: 24 July 2017 at 2:52pm

i reviewed this one again and listened to the first 0:30 of
the song and they sound pretty consistent to me......if
there is any difference, certainly not enough to warrant an
'lp/45' difference notation.....i'm sorry guys, i'm just
not hearing it....]]> Mon, 24 Jul 2017 14:52:42 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6796&PID=47773&title=gladys-knight-where-peaceful-waters-flow#47773 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6796&PID=39534&title=gladys-knight-where-peaceful-waters-flow#39534 Author: edtop40
Subject: 6796
Posted: 28 October 2013 at 8:28pm

interesting....santi sent me a file of the song for me to
review and it sounds the same as my vinyl 45 except the
intro synth flutter and some channel reversals......i then
went back and listened to the song on the cd special music
4909 'vbo'.....and it sounds the same as santi's track
running 4:25......paul c....i'm not hearin what you are
hearing regards to the acoustic guitar....BOTH my vinyl 45
and cd have the same components.....you may want to review
this one again.....]]> Mon, 28 Oct 2013 20:28:07 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6796&PID=39534&title=gladys-knight-where-peaceful-waters-flow#39534 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6796&PID=37967&title=gladys-knight-where-peaceful-waters-flow#37967 Author: edtop40
Subject: 6796
Posted: 13 June 2013 at 3:52pm

does anyone own the vinyl lp 'imagination' that contained
the song originally that could verify the actual running
time of the original album version?]]> Thu, 13 Jun 2013 15:52:16 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6796&PID=37967&title=gladys-knight-where-peaceful-waters-flow#37967 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6796&PID=37805&title=gladys-knight-where-peaceful-waters-flow#37805 Author: Santi Paradoa
Subject: 6796
Posted: 27 May 2013 at 11:02am

Any chance the version of this song that always turns up on
CD was previously on a vinyl LP hits compilation prior to
the CD era? Also does the 45 really run (4:22) like the
listed time says?]]> Mon, 27 May 2013 11:02:44 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6796&PID=37805&title=gladys-knight-where-peaceful-waters-flow#37805 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6796&PID=37801&title=gladys-knight-where-peaceful-waters-flow#37801 Author: Todd Ireland
Subject: 6796
Posted: 26 May 2013 at 11:46pm

Has anyone come across the correct hit version of Gladys Knight & the Pips' "Where Peaceful Waters Flow" on an import CD? It's hard to believe this song has never appeared in its 45/LP version form on a domestic CD release!]]> Sun, 26 May 2013 23:46:53 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6796&PID=37801&title=gladys-knight-where-peaceful-waters-flow#37801