https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ Copyright (c) 2006-2013 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Thu, 07 May 2026 22:58:42 +0000 Sun, 02 Oct 2016 11:23:40 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 12.07 360 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=7010 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum//images/Top-40-Music-on-CD-Forum-Logo.png https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7010&PID=46333&title=andrew-gold-lonely-boy#46333 Author: Kiefer2
Subject: 7010
Posted: 02 October 2016 at 11:23am

Thanks!]]> Sun, 02 Oct 2016 11:23:40 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7010&PID=46333&title=andrew-gold-lonely-boy#46333 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7010&PID=46332&title=andrew-gold-lonely-boy#46332 Author: Santi Paradoa
Subject: 7010
Posted: 01 October 2016 at 6:12pm

Correct. That sure is the promo 45 mix.]]> Sat, 01 Oct 2016 18:12:46 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7010&PID=46332&title=andrew-gold-lonely-boy#46332 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7010&PID=46331&title=andrew-gold-lonely-boy#46331 Author: Kiefer2
Subject: 7010
Posted: 01 October 2016 at 3:33pm

Is this the "short stereo version" that was referenced
earlier?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jip8WRiDTLk

Edited by Kiefer2]]> Sat, 01 Oct 2016 15:33:40 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7010&PID=46331&title=andrew-gold-lonely-boy#46331 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7010&PID=37481&title=andrew-gold-lonely-boy#37481 Author: MMathews
Subject: 7010
Posted: 24 April 2013 at 6:52pm

LOL, John.

Well, i never intend a lecture but i do ramble on :-)

Nothing against mp3's here, i and my fellow mastering
engineers use them all the time just for preview or
reference dub, in high quality of course.
But i've already credited your account! :-D

Thanks To John for the DJ 45 dub. I a/b'd and also
compared side by side in a synch track.

I can certify that the HAND stereo is indeed the DJ 45
mix, exactly.
Folding it to mono, it's identical to the DJ 45, even the
EQ and compression are spot on.
Note tho that CD runs slightly faster, causing it to
appear 1 second shorter. Once you slow it down to match
they are clones, right the tail of the ending at 3:59.

Kudos to whomever at Elektra pulled the master for this.

Inglot also stated in same interview that while there are
a lot of LP versions on Vols. 1-10 because he wanted
stereo, from 11 onward he specifically asked for "45
masters".   I imagine this tape was labeled in some
fashion that way.
Since i never owned the 45, i just assumed all these
years it was the commercial 45 mix.

Thanks for the help on this one!
MM    
   
]]> Wed, 24 Apr 2013 18:52:15 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7010&PID=37481&title=andrew-gold-lonely-boy#37481 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7010&PID=37480&title=andrew-gold-lonely-boy#37480 Author: Yah Shure
Subject: 7010
Posted: 24 April 2013 at 4:58pm

Dear Professor Mathews,

Thank you for the informative lecture. That explains why the old song wasn't titled "Little Sir Reverb."

Your Student
-Y.S.

Hey, wait a second... how did you manage to go from talking of glorious 30 ips tape copies to making a request for an mp3 within the same post? Is it too late to ask for a tuition refund? :)

(mono dub is on its way)

Edited by Yah Shure]]> Wed, 24 Apr 2013 16:58:28 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7010&PID=37480&title=andrew-gold-lonely-boy#37480 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7010&PID=37479&title=andrew-gold-lonely-boy#37479 Author: MMathews
Subject: 7010
Posted: 24 April 2013 at 3:17pm

Well, which one's better is subjective, but i can say i
did always like the HAND version as soon as i bought the
CD.   I like the wider separation and everything is very
crisp.
As Andrew hears it, all the elements are cleaner, more
"upfront".

I agree with Gordon about it being supplied by the vault
that way. Bill Inglot stated in interview that his method
was to request a 30ips tape copy of the original master
for each song, and do the digital mastering himself. He
did not trust labels to provide a DAT or any digitized
copy.

And Gordon, Andrew is right, you may have a bear of a
time getting the 2 mixes to play nice together .. all the
effects are so different the sudden change in the middle
may sound bizarre.

For Yah Shure; RE: Reverb vs. Echo. Actually, the 2 terms
are exclusive but it's become commonplace to call reverb
"echo".   I do it too!      
The technical difference is that reverberation is the
effect of being in an enclosed large space when a word is
heard, and has a solid "tail" like being in a large
shower room or hall (or big studio of course)...as most
60's hits the vocals have lots of reverb.
(e.g. "Monday, Monday"..lots of reverb)

Echo is where your source is repeated back, either once
or many times fading away, such as on most 50's Sun
records - with Sam Philips legendary board "slap echo".
Like, "Green Tambourine ..listen while i play,play,play"
= echo.

And some songs use both effects.

So on the HAND mix of Lonely Boy, his voice is relatively
dry of reverb, but instead has one repeat of his vocal
echoing behind it.   The LP mix doesn't do that.


Can someone with the mono promo 45 per chance send me an
mp3 of it?   I can simply fold the HAND stereo mix to
mono and A/B them to confirm for sure.    

MM]]> Wed, 24 Apr 2013 15:17:48 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7010&PID=37479&title=andrew-gold-lonely-boy#37479 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7010&PID=37478&title=andrew-gold-lonely-boy#37478 Author: sriv94
Subject: 7010
Posted: 24 April 2013 at 3:00pm

EdisonLite wrote: Because if it's improved, I might just edit the two versions, inserting the "missing bridge part" from the album version into the single version. (Isn't that all that's missing from the short single version?)

No, there's an edit at the end of the long 45 as well.]]> Wed, 24 Apr 2013 15:00:11 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7010&PID=37478&title=andrew-gold-lonely-boy#37478 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7010&PID=37477&title=andrew-gold-lonely-boy#37477 Author: AndrewChouffi
Subject: 7010
Posted: 24 April 2013 at 11:34am

To EdisonLite:

I feel the promo remix/HAND mix is significantly improved because I hate the wimpiness of the (ARP?) string synthesizer break on the commercial 45/LP. I'm not sure if on the short mix it's just louder, more trebly, or if there's an additional overdub, but it's more in-your-face.

Best of luck editing the two together because there are other mix differences & pans, too.

I'm interested to hear Mark's take on this, too.

Andy]]> Wed, 24 Apr 2013 11:34:49 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7010&PID=37477&title=andrew-gold-lonely-boy#37477 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7010&PID=37475&title=andrew-gold-lonely-boy#37475 Author: EdisonLite
Subject: 7010
Posted: 24 April 2013 at 9:20am

From all of the above, with many people having copies of the dj 45 (and some people with multiple copies), my GUESS is:

1) there is no stereo short version on dj 45 (or commercial 45) (It just seems like one of us would have it), and therefore ...
2) the Rhino CD is the 1st time this short stereo mix appeared anywhere (outside the vaults of Warner/Elektra/Asylum), but ...
3) that this stereo short version was created in 1977 and not in the '90s when Rhino released this CD. I think it was created in 1977 not just because Rhino wouldn't do a new mix of this in the '90s but also because people are saying the fold down of this stereo mix sounds like the mono dj 45.

Can anyone else who has a dj 45 report if theirs is stereo & short?

Also, Mark, in your opinion does this short mix sound significantly improved over the common mix or just randomly different? Because if it's improved, I might just edit the two versions, inserting the "missing bridge part" from the album version into the single version. (Isn't that all that's missing from the short single version? I believe that was the case for "Thank You For Being a Friend" but can't recall on "Lonely Boy".)]]> Wed, 24 Apr 2013 09:20:24 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7010&PID=37475&title=andrew-gold-lonely-boy#37475 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7010&PID=37474&title=andrew-gold-lonely-boy#37474 Author: Yah Shure
Subject: 7010
Posted: 24 April 2013 at 8:11am

Andy, I think you're onto something about the short mono DJ 45 sounding closer to a fold of the HAND mix. In comparing the short mono DJ 45 with a fold of the stereo commercial 45, it appears the mono DJ isn't a straight fold of the stereo mix. During the word "the" in the line "in the summer of '53, his mother brought him a sister...", there's a quick, loud guitar sound. On the stereo 45 fold, it's noticeably louder than the music surrounding it and has obvious trailing reverb. On the mono DJ, it isn't any louder than its surrounding turf, and there's no obvious trailing reverb. When folded down, the HAND mix sounds closer to the short mono DJ 45 mix at that same spot.

As to the existence of a short stereo DJ 45 or short stereo commercial 45, anything's possible, but I've never seen any instance of either. Of the five PRC copies I pulled from stock at the distributorship I worked for at the time (three in picture sleeves, two in standard factory sleeves) all are the long stereo version. My college station was never serviced anything other than the short mono/long stereo DJ 45, and the local WEA branch office didn't have any other variations in their promo inventory.

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