https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ Copyright (c) 2006-2013 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Wed, 29 Apr 2026 16:44:20 +0000 Sat, 15 Nov 2025 19:40:49 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 12.07 360 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=7021 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum//images/Top-40-Music-on-CD-Forum-Logo.png https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7021&PID=67506&title=paper-lace-the-night-chicago-died#67506 Author: EdisonLite
Subject: 7021
Posted: 15 November 2025 at 7:40pm

I have 2 UK CDs of the Paper Lace parent album "& Other Bits of Material" - both of which were mastered from vinyl. I know when one of them, 7Ts, was working on this release, the DAT source they were given was from clean vinyl, and they didn't want to pursue any other source (incl. Mark Mathews' even cleaner vinyl) because they felt this was the master source they were given from the parent company (Universal). And usually, 7Ts does get tape sources. Of course, the Rhino "Have a Nice Day" series has "The Night Chicago Died" from master tape (at least I've always assumed so - has anyone here listened really closely?) So I'm not sure why tape sources haven't been used for the 2 CDs I have which contain the whole album. Does anyone have this album on an import CD that doesn't come from vinyl?

I can't recall if Mercury Records tapes were burned in the Universal fire, but one theory I have is when Rhino did the "Super Hits" series in the early '90s, they used a US master tape, and that the UK doesn't have any. But that seems odd because Paper Lace was a UK group, there was no Universal fire over there, so I'm not sure what has happened. But I hope there's a tape sourced CD out there - as there are 2 album cuts I'd like to have from tape sources.

Edited by EdisonLite - 15 November 2025 at 7:44pm]]> Sat, 15 Nov 2025 19:40:49 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7021&PID=67506&title=paper-lace-the-night-chicago-died#67506 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7021&PID=47373&title=paper-lace-the-night-chicago-died#47373 Author: MMathews
Subject: 7021
Posted: 25 April 2017 at 10:28pm

Just for kicks, I finally had a moment to satisfy my
curiosity about a minor detail on this record.

At the start of the 2nd chorus (1:50) I hear a splice
there right after the words "a hundred cops are
dead"...on the beat after that word it sounds like the
you hear reverb tail from the word "law" (:50) at the end
of the first verse.

I wondered, did they just splice in another copy of the
first chorus to make the finished product?

Answer: Yes. The entire 2nd chorus is a copy of the
entire first. Original material resumes at (2:24).
Just some FYI trivia.
MM

Edited by MMathews]]> Tue, 25 Apr 2017 22:28:47 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7021&PID=47373&title=paper-lace-the-night-chicago-died#47373 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7021&PID=47029&title=paper-lace-the-night-chicago-died#47029 Author: crapfromthepast
Subject: 7021
Posted: 26 February 2017 at 8:49pm

Thanks to Ed and Tom, we know that the 45 and LP versions run 3:28 and 3:30, respectively, and that the siren-y keyboards at 0:04 should be in the left channel.

The song sounds great on Rhino's Have A Nice Day Vol. 13 (1990), where it runs 3:29. Unfortunately, the siren-y keyboards at 0:04 are in the right channel, so the left and right channels are swapped. The following CDs use the same analog transfer as Have A Nice Day Vol. 13, and all also have their left and right channels swapped:

• Warner Special Products' 2-CD 40 Summer Fun Hits (1993)
• Time-Life's AM Gold Vol. 21 1974 (1996) - digitally exactly 0.3 dB louder
• Time-Life's 2-CD Singers And Songwriters Vol. 17 1973-1975 (2002) - digitally exactly 0.192 dB quieter

Time-Life's Sounds Of The Seventies Vol. 31 AM Top Twenty (1993) uses the same analog transfer as Have A Nice Day Vol. 13, but reverses the left and right channels and shortens the fade a tiny bit. This fixes the left/right error of Have A Nice Day Vol. 13, so that the siren-y keyboards at 0:04 are correctly in the left channel. (Most of the tracks on Sounds Of The Seventies Vol. 31 AM Top Twenty are based on earlier CD masterings, but swap the left and right channels. They just got lucky with this one track, where two wrongs make a right. The AM Top Twenty disc is the bane of my existence, because of all the left/right errors that propagated into later CDs.) The following CDs use the same analog transfer as Sounds Of The Seventies Vol. 31 AM Top Twenty, and all have their left and right channels correct:

• Reader's Digest's 4-CD American Pie (1998)
• Time-Life's 2-CD Seventies Music Explosion One-Hit Wonders (2005) - digitally exactly 1.4 dB louder

Razor & Tie's Those Fabulous '70s (1990) isn't based on any of the above, has its siren-y keyboards at 0:04 correctly in the left channel, and fades a little early. This disc uses the same analog transfer:

• Razor & Tie's 2-CD Suddenly '70s (1997)

My recommendation:

Manually swap the left and right channels on Rhino's Have A Nice Day Vol. 13 (1990).]]> Sun, 26 Feb 2017 20:49:25 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7021&PID=47029&title=paper-lace-the-night-chicago-died#47029 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7021&PID=35126&title=paper-lace-the-night-chicago-died#35126 Author: Smokin' TomGary
Subject: 7021
Posted: 26 August 2012 at 11:09am

On the album (deadwax SRM-1-1008-A-CP4) the sirens are, in fact, on the left channel. The actual time is 3:28. On the 45 (deadwax 2-51294-CP-6) the same facts apply.

Two other CD's of note with reversed channels are Then Totally Oldies 1 with "Moonlight Feels Right". It has the 45 version with channels reversed. British Invasion GOLD two CD set has "Bus Stop" with reversed channels.]]> Sun, 26 Aug 2012 11:09:21 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7021&PID=35126&title=paper-lace-the-night-chicago-died#35126 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7021&PID=35089&title=paper-lace-the-night-chicago-died#35089 Author: Todd Ireland
Subject: 7021
Posted: 24 August 2012 at 6:09pm

Good question... If the left and right channels are reversed during the entire song, it's a very easy fix on any digital editing software program.]]> Fri, 24 Aug 2012 18:09:57 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7021&PID=35089&title=paper-lace-the-night-chicago-died#35089 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7021&PID=35065&title=paper-lace-the-night-chicago-died#35065 Author: EdisonLite
Subject: 7021
Posted: 23 August 2012 at 8:35am

Do you mean that only the sirens are on the wrong channel, or are the left and right channels reversed for the whole song - on CDs?]]> Thu, 23 Aug 2012 08:35:25 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7021&PID=35065&title=paper-lace-the-night-chicago-died#35065 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7021&PID=35051&title=paper-lace-the-night-chicago-died#35051 Author: edtop40
Subject: 7021
Posted: 22 August 2012 at 3:28pm

my commercial 45 for the paper lace song "the night chicago
died" issued as mercury 73492 states the run time on the
label as 3:30 and does run that length.....the reason for
the post....the vinyl 45 starts off with the sirens at the
0:04 mark of the song in the left channel while the version
on the cd 'super hits of the 70's vol 13' has the sirens in
the right channel.....question is...do any of the cd's in
the db have the sirens in the correct channel?....thanks
john for flipping the channels for me....]]> Wed, 22 Aug 2012 15:28:19 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7021&PID=35051&title=paper-lace-the-night-chicago-died#35051