https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ Copyright (c) 2006-2013 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Sat, 11 Apr 2026 04:08:05 +0000 Wed, 07 Nov 2012 13:54:14 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 12.07 360 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=7116 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum//images/Top-40-Music-on-CD-Forum-Logo.png https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7116&PID=35839&title=jose-feliciano-feliz-navidad-45-stereo#35839 Author: Paul Haney
Subject: 7116
Posted: 07 November 2012 at 1:54pm

Just for the heck of it, I went back into the Billboard issues for December of 1970 and found one mention of "Feliz Navidad" on their Best Of The New Christmas Singles List in the issue dated December 5, 1970...so they at least knew it was out there!]]> Wed, 07 Nov 2012 13:54:14 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7116&PID=35839&title=jose-feliciano-feliz-navidad-45-stereo#35839 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7116&PID=35834&title=jose-feliciano-feliz-navidad-45-stereo#35834 Author: Paul Haney
Subject: 7116
Posted: 06 November 2012 at 1:54pm

Brian W. wrote: Though, looking at the new Record World book, it doesn't look like Record World was charting Christmas singles on their pop chart at that time, as the Jackson 5's "Santa Claus is Comin' to Town" did not chart that year, either, and that's another one that charted in Cash Box.

Maybe not that particular year, but "Happy Xmas (War Is Over)" by John Lennon did hit #28 in 1971 (there are other examples in other years as well).]]> Tue, 06 Nov 2012 13:54:08 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7116&PID=35834&title=jose-feliciano-feliz-navidad-45-stereo#35834 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7116&PID=35832&title=jose-feliciano-feliz-navidad-45-stereo#35832 Author: Brian W.
Subject: 7116
Posted: 06 November 2012 at 12:16pm

Paul Haney wrote: Nope. It didn't even "bubble under" in Record World (and that chart was 50 positions at the time)!

Though, looking at the new Record World book, it doesn't look like Record World was charting Christmas singles on their pop chart at that time, as the Jackson 5's "Santa Claus is Comin' to Town" did not chart that year, either, and that's another one that charted in Cash Box.]]> Tue, 06 Nov 2012 12:16:36 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7116&PID=35832&title=jose-feliciano-feliz-navidad-45-stereo#35832 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7116&PID=35826&title=jose-feliciano-feliz-navidad-45-stereo#35826 Author: Paul Haney
Subject: 7116
Posted: 05 November 2012 at 2:08pm

Paul C wrote: The following is plagiarized from the liner notes to the Rhino CD, Billboard's Greatest Christmas Hits 1955-Present, which was released in 1989: "From 1955 through 1962, Billboard charted Christmas singles on their Hot 100 (pop singles) charts. From 1963 through 1973, Billboard published a Christmas Singles chart and did not show Christmas singles on the "Hot 100," charting them only on the special Christmas chart. Billboard again charted Christmas singles on the Hot 100 from 1974 through 1982. From 1983 through 1985, Billboard resumed publication of the Christmas Singles chart and simultaneously charted some Christmas singles on the Hot 100. In 1986, the Christmas Singles chart was dropped."

And that explanation was taken directly from page 668 of the Pop Singles Annual 1955-86 by Record Research:)]]> Mon, 05 Nov 2012 14:08:33 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7116&PID=35826&title=jose-feliciano-feliz-navidad-45-stereo#35826 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7116&PID=35822&title=jose-feliciano-feliz-navidad-45-stereo#35822 Author: Paul C
Subject: 7116
Posted: 05 November 2012 at 12:32pm

The following is plagiarized from the liner notes to the Rhino CD, Billboard's Greatest Christmas Hits 1955-Present, which was released in 1989:

"From 1955 through 1962, Billboard charted Christmas singles on their Hot 100 (pop singles) charts. From 1963 through 1973, Billboard published a Christmas Singles chart and did not show Christmas singles on the "Hot 100," charting them only on the special Christmas chart. Billboard again charted Christmas singles on the Hot 100 from 1974 through 1982. From 1983 through 1985, Billboard resumed publication of the Christmas Singles chart and simultaneously charted some Christmas singles on the Hot 100. In 1986, the Christmas Singles chart was dropped."]]> Mon, 05 Nov 2012 12:32:49 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7116&PID=35822&title=jose-feliciano-feliz-navidad-45-stereo#35822 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7116&PID=35816&title=jose-feliciano-feliz-navidad-45-stereo#35816 Author: Paul Haney
Subject: 7116
Posted: 04 November 2012 at 3:30am

Brian W. wrote: It didn't chart in Record World, either, according to the new Whitburn book. (Unless it's in the new Record World "bubbling under" book.)

Nope. It didn't even "bubble under" in Record World (and that chart was 50 positions at the time)!

BTW, we are putting the finishing touches on the new #101-150 book and should have it in stock by the middle of December.]]> Sun, 04 Nov 2012 03:30:23 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7116&PID=35816&title=jose-feliciano-feliz-navidad-45-stereo#35816 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7116&PID=35815&title=jose-feliciano-feliz-navidad-45-stereo#35815 Author: KentT
Subject: 7116
Posted: 03 November 2012 at 9:48am

Brian W,

Both sides were Stereo on the original Stock 45 single. ]]> Sat, 03 Nov 2012 09:48:33 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7116&PID=35815&title=jose-feliciano-feliz-navidad-45-stereo#35815 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7116&PID=35814&title=jose-feliciano-feliz-navidad-45-stereo#35814 Author: Brian W.
Subject: 7116
Posted: 03 November 2012 at 8:53am

It didn't chart in Record World, either, according to the new Whitburn book. (Unless it's in the new Record World "bubbling under" book.)

Randy Price, the Cash Box chart guy, says he's fairly sure that Cash Box was still completely sales-based in 1970, while we know Record World incorporated airplay and so did Billboard for at least positions 51-100 during that time period. So the airplay factor could account for its minor showing in Cash Box and not the other magazines.

Edited by Brian W.]]> Sat, 03 Nov 2012 08:53:09 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7116&PID=35814&title=jose-feliciano-feliz-navidad-45-stereo#35814 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7116&PID=35813&title=jose-feliciano-feliz-navidad-45-stereo#35813 Author: Hykker
Subject: 7116
Posted: 03 November 2012 at 7:17am

As I said earlier, the song got considerable airplay at least in Boston/northern New England. WRKO played it almost in power rotation, we played it at the small market AM I was a part timer at too. How was Billboard's Christmas chart compiled? Sales? Airplay? How many stations reported airplay of Christmas songs if they didn't include them on their weekly survey?

While Jim's theory may have some merit, I also wonder just how available the single was in stores. For years the only copy I had was a (mono) promo, didn't find the stereo reissue single until the mid-ish 70s. I can't think of anyone I knew who had a stock single of this song.

]]> Sat, 03 Nov 2012 07:17:01 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7116&PID=35813&title=jose-feliciano-feliz-navidad-45-stereo#35813 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7116&PID=35812&title=jose-feliciano-feliz-navidad-45-stereo#35812 Author: jimct
Subject: 7116
Posted: 03 November 2012 at 6:50am

I can locate just 3 US stations that charted "Feliz Navidad", ever - all in
1970. Both WCFL Chicago and WCOL Columbus, OH listed it as an
"uncharted extra", for the weeks of 12/14 & 12/21. Only KGB San Diego
actually gave it a "number" for its 3 weeks on: 12/7 #30; 12/14 #27;
12/21 #14. This info appears to strongly support Paul Haney's
assessment that it simply didn't have enough reported airplay to show
up on ANY BB chart in 1970, and strongly grew in holiday
airplay/popularity in subsequent years. That is quite unusual. My only
possible explanation for this would be that just a few months after he'd
hit with "Light My Fire", Feliciano was invited by Ernie Harwell (who,
strangely was both the Tigers play-by-play guy AND the team's
"Anthem booker!") to sing the National Anthem, for Game 5 of the 1968
World Series, in Detroit, vs. St. Louis (This live version even charted on
BB.) Meaning no disrespect, but as was his wont at this time, Jose
performed it with that "unique, Feliciano musical interpretation". It
caused an uproar. I believe it was the first time EVER that a person
didn't do the anthem "straight", at a major event. In several later
interviews, Feliciano has cited that specific incident as creating "radio
hostlity/blackballing" for his later 45 releases. Up until mid-1971,
several of his later 45s did chart, but barely. Who knows, but perhaps
just 2 years later, in 1970, it still may have been "too soon" for radio to
forgive/forget him. But, over time, it's likely that both most
listeners/radio folks had simply forgotten and/or moved on from the
whole 1968 anthem incident. So when RCA subsequently re-serviced
"Feliz Navidad" in later holiday seasons, PDs & MDs likely listened to it
with a more open mind, and giving it some Christmas spins. Now I can't
confirm/deny Feliciano's take on this incident being the "real" reason
for his later airplay woes or not, but, given the "strangely slow start" for
Feliz Navidad on radio, it is least worth pondering. Because I can't recall
another instance where the MORE "DOA" a career was perceived to be,
the BETTER chance there was to get a song of his airplay! (Perhaps Gary
Mack, or someone else in radio back then, can share any
memories/opinions they may have on this.) Lastly, I decided to do a
similar check for the two most popular new-in-1970 Christmas songs
that I recall hearing back then. "Merry Christmas Darling" by the
Carpenters, and "Santa Claus Is Coming To Town" by the Jackson 5.
Both appeared on the surveys of at least 10 different Top 40 stations,
almost always with a number, and both songs reached the Top 10 on at
least two of these stations each.]]> Sat, 03 Nov 2012 06:50:47 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7116&PID=35812&title=jose-feliciano-feliz-navidad-45-stereo#35812