https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ Copyright (c) 2006-2013 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Fri, 08 May 2026 23:39:22 +0000 Sat, 20 Apr 2013 04:27:41 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 12.07 360 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=7384 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum//images/Top-40-Music-on-CD-Forum-Logo.png https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7384&PID=37393&title=aretha-franklin-think#37393 Author: edtop40
Subject: 7384
Posted: 20 April 2013 at 4:27am

when the two mono vinyl 45 versions i listened to and the
slightly sped up stereo version i created all run 2:15....i
just can't see how any of them run 0:05 longer......but, i
guess we'll just agree to disagree..........hits man,
thanks for your help in getting to the bottom of this... ]]> Sat, 20 Apr 2013 04:27:41 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7384&PID=37393&title=aretha-franklin-think#37393 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7384&PID=37388&title=aretha-franklin-think#37388 Author: The Hits Man
Subject: 7384
Posted: 19 April 2013 at 9:54pm

If both the stereo and mono 45 run at the same length of
time, but one contains five extra seconds of music, it
means that the 45 is faster. That is a fact. I can hear
it, too. I stand by my words.

The fade on the 45 is different. With the way you guys
are about fine details, you should take this as
significant. The differences are substantial enough for
me to continue to prefer the 45.

Oh, the mono mix sounds better and doesn't have that tape
hiss. The first line of the first verse where she sings
"Let's go back, let's go back, let's go way on way back
when.", the fader isn't suddenly bumped up on the phrase
"On way back when." on the 45 as it is on the stereo mix,
which also suggests that it is a dedicated mono mix.

Edited by The Hits Man]]> Fri, 19 Apr 2013 21:54:15 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7384&PID=37388&title=aretha-franklin-think#37388 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7384&PID=37378&title=aretha-franklin-think#37378 Author: edtop40
Subject: 7384
Posted: 19 April 2013 at 6:19pm

hits man sent me a copy of his vinyl 45 and it sounds
identical to mine....they both run 2:15 and are the same as
the cd versions.....the only difference is that the fade is
slightly different as far as volume and not content.....i
stand by my original assessment of the song.....hits man
you may want to amend your original post that the vinyl 45
runs 0:05 longer than the cd versions, because that is not
factually accurate....]]> Fri, 19 Apr 2013 18:19:47 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7384&PID=37378&title=aretha-franklin-think#37378 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7384&PID=37368&title=aretha-franklin-think#37368 Author: The Hits Man
Subject: 7384
Posted: 18 April 2013 at 11:37pm

edtop40 wrote: hits man, can you send me an mp3 of the full vinyl 45 version of yours...i want to compare it to my vinyl 45....thanks edtop40

   You have a PM.]]> Thu, 18 Apr 2013 23:37:38 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7384&PID=37368&title=aretha-franklin-think#37368 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7384&PID=37359&title=aretha-franklin-think#37359 Author: edtop40
Subject: 7384
Posted: 17 April 2013 at 7:46pm

hits man, can you send me an mp3 of the full vinyl 45
version of yours...i want to compare it to my vinyl
45....thanks edtop40]]> Wed, 17 Apr 2013 19:46:59 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7384&PID=37359&title=aretha-franklin-think#37359 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7384&PID=37291&title=aretha-franklin-think#37291 Author: The Hits Man
Subject: 7384
Posted: 12 April 2013 at 11:02pm

Sometimes it's just better to show you what i'm talking
about. Here's the last few seconds of my 45:

http://ppl.ug/WiVmnQewt5Q/

Cut and paste the URL into your browser.

Edited by The Hits Man]]> Fri, 12 Apr 2013 23:02:58 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7384&PID=37291&title=aretha-franklin-think#37291 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7384&PID=37289&title=aretha-franklin-think#37289 Author: Yah Shure
Subject: 7384
Posted: 12 April 2013 at 8:56pm

Although I have several other late-'60s cutout titles, "Think" was the only time I ever encountered a current Columbia Pitman-pressed Atlantic 45 in the Twin Cities, so it's possible there was a disruption in the pipeline among Atlantic's usual manufacturers when it was issued.

The actual time on my copy j-u-s-t makes it to 2:16; Deadwax is   "CP"   "A-14319-1B"   ;   and a single, indecipherable character. Union rules then in effect at CBS mandated that Columbia Records Custom Division handle the mastering in addition to the pressing, which explains why multiple "Think" masterings exist (same story with the Turtles' White Whale 45s pressed by Monarch and Columbia.) Ed's Monarch pressing and the other (non-Columbia) manufacturers would have utilized Atlantic's in-house mastering.

I only have "Think" on CD via the 1986 2-CD 30 Greatest Hits, where it also runs an actual 2:16. The speed is slower than the 45.

Speed differences aside, the Pitman-pressed 45 does have some added length, but I only detect about 1.4 seconds of unique content extending beyond the cutoff of the CD track's fade. As Grant pointed out, the fade on the 45 does start later, but unlike Ed's 45, the fade is actually more gradual than the one on the CD (which quickly fades to a very low volume, then rides along at that barely-audible level for its final four seconds.)

In terms of practical listening, the combination of the later start of the 45's fade, its less-steep curve and that extra 1.4-second length makes it appear to run almost four seconds longer than the CD track.

Edited by Yah Shure]]> Fri, 12 Apr 2013 20:56:21 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7384&PID=37289&title=aretha-franklin-think#37289 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7384&PID=37288&title=aretha-franklin-think#37288 Author: The Hits Man
Subject: 7384
Posted: 12 April 2013 at 5:43pm

A-14319-1A

The other marking is CP]]> Fri, 12 Apr 2013 17:43:11 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7384&PID=37288&title=aretha-franklin-think#37288 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7384&PID=37281&title=aretha-franklin-think#37281 Author: edtop40
Subject: 7384
Posted: 12 April 2013 at 11:33am

hitsman....what is the etching in the run out groove of
your vinyl 45?]]> Fri, 12 Apr 2013 11:33:20 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7384&PID=37281&title=aretha-franklin-think#37281 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7384&PID=37277&title=aretha-franklin-think#37277 Author: The Hits Man
Subject: 7384
Posted: 11 April 2013 at 7:42pm

My guess is that there are two pressings that use
different tapes for masters. I can send you a copy if you
want.]]> Thu, 11 Apr 2013 19:42:23 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7384&PID=37277&title=aretha-franklin-think#37277