https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ Copyright (c) 2006-2013 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Sat, 11 Apr 2026 21:42:33 +0000 Thu, 16 Mar 2017 00:04:16 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 12.07 360 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=750 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum//images/Top-40-Music-on-CD-Forum-Logo.png https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=750&PID=47201&title=genesis-abacab#47201 Author: radiofan16
Subject: 750
Posted: 16 March 2017 at 12:04am

vinyljay69 wrote: Here's what I've been able to discern about the 45 version. First, I have two pressings - one Canadian WLP, and one U.S. stock. The Canadian 45 features the same version as what's used on the Hits CD - LP pitch, and runs 4:11. I presume that is what was used as the international single version. The U.S. version was sped up .8%, and faded earlier - my copy runs 3:57. The U.S. 45 does sound different - maybe a little hotter on Phil's vocal - but I think it's due to a combination of eq and compression, and not necessarily a mix difference. Believe it or not, the glitch at 3:25 has always been there - it's on the vinyl LP, the 45, and the CD versions I've heard. Up until the Hits CD, it's been virtually undetectable - but once you know where it is, you can absolutely hear it. My educated guess is that there's a splice on the tape at 3:24 right before "he's..". Based on how audible the glitch is on Hits (and that the single version had never appeared digitally until then), I'm guessing the tape had not been played since 1982 and that the splice has broken down over the years, causing the tape to violently jerk at 3:25 on "..where" when it peels off the reel. (And as noted earlier in the thread, the glitch can be removed using a less than :01 second paste from the LP version.) If there is indeed a tape splice on the single master, however, what I can't explain is why the same glitch is also audible on the LP version in the same spot (again, albeit hardly noticeable, like on the original 45). I have a theory about that as well, but I won't postulate further unless I'm provoked. :)

I'm provoking you :) Please elaborate.]]> Thu, 16 Mar 2017 00:04:16 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=750&PID=47201&title=genesis-abacab#47201 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=750&PID=47099&title=genesis-abacab#47099 Author: vinyljay69
Subject: 750
Posted: 06 March 2017 at 7:35pm

Here's what I've been able to discern about the 45 version. First, I have two pressings - one Canadian WLP, and one U.S. stock. The Canadian 45 features the same version as what's used on the Hits CD - LP pitch, and runs 4:11. I presume that is what was used as the international single version. The U.S. version was sped up .8%, and faded earlier - my copy runs 3:57. The U.S. 45 does sound different - maybe a little hotter on Phil's vocal - but I think it's due to a combination of eq and compression, and not necessarily a mix difference.

Believe it or not, the glitch at 3:25 has always been there - it's on the vinyl LP, the 45, and the CD versions I've heard. Up until the Hits CD, it's been virtually undetectable - but once you know where it is, you can absolutely hear it. My educated guess is that there's a splice on the tape at 3:24 right before "he's..". Based on how audible the glitch is on Hits (and that the single version had never appeared digitally until then), I'm guessing the tape had not been played since 1982 and that the splice has broken down over the years, causing the tape to violently jerk at 3:25 on "..where" when it peels off the reel. (And as noted earlier in the thread, the glitch can be removed using a less than :01 second paste from the LP version.)

If there is indeed a tape splice on the single master, however, what I can't explain is why the same glitch is also audible on the LP version in the same spot (again, albeit hardly noticeable, like on the original 45). I have a theory about that as well, but I won't postulate further unless I'm provoked. :)]]> Mon, 06 Mar 2017 19:35:03 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=750&PID=47099&title=genesis-abacab#47099 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=750&PID=17968&title=genesis-abacab#17968 Author: Todd Ireland
Subject: 750
Posted: 04 August 2008 at 8:41pm

To elaborate on Ed's initial comments that started this thread, the actual commercial 45 run time of Genesis' "Abacab" is 3:56, not 3:59 as stated on the record label. (Credit an assist to abagon here as well.)]]> Mon, 04 Aug 2008 20:41:49 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=750&PID=17968&title=genesis-abacab#17968 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=750&PID=16354&title=genesis-abacab#16354 Author: sriv94
Subject: 750
Posted: 18 May 2008 at 7:24am

The section I sent was indeed from the Abacab CD, although there was just an ever-so-slight difference in the mix that made it a little more difficult for me to smooth out the sound. John lowered the volume and made a real nice file out of it.

Edited by sriv94]]> Sun, 18 May 2008 07:24:31 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=750&PID=16354&title=genesis-abacab#16354 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=750&PID=16346&title=genesis-abacab#16346 Author: eriejwg
Subject: 750
Posted: 17 May 2008 at 8:45pm

Doug sent me a good section, I presume from CD...perhaps from Abacab, I just pasted it in...

Edited by eriejwg]]> Sat, 17 May 2008 20:45:49 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=750&PID=16346&title=genesis-abacab#16346 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=750&PID=16345&title=genesis-abacab#16345 Author: aaronk
Subject: 750
Posted: 17 May 2008 at 8:19pm

Was this from the vinyl or from CD?]]> Sat, 17 May 2008 20:19:52 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=750&PID=16345&title=genesis-abacab#16345 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=750&PID=16343&title=genesis-abacab#16343 Author: eriejwg
Subject: 750
Posted: 17 May 2008 at 7:58pm

I was able to paste a section into the 45 version that doesn't have the glitch that the version from Turn It On Again - The Hits has.

]]> Sat, 17 May 2008 19:58:50 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=750&PID=16343&title=genesis-abacab#16343 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=750&PID=16342&title=genesis-abacab#16342 Author: aaronk
Subject: 750
Posted: 17 May 2008 at 7:55pm

edtop40 wrote: i don't hear a glitch at 3:25, but there is a real bad edit at the 3:33 mark...

Ed, I'm not hearing a bad edit at 3:33 on the CD. I think I have a dub of the 45 somewhere, so I'll check that copy to see if it's on there...]]> Sat, 17 May 2008 19:55:41 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=750&PID=16342&title=genesis-abacab#16342 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=750&PID=16341&title=genesis-abacab#16341 Author: aaronk
Subject: 750
Posted: 17 May 2008 at 7:53pm

That is weird. It sounds like the tape momentarily slipped. Are all CDs mastered with this tape glitch?]]> Sat, 17 May 2008 19:53:30 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=750&PID=16341&title=genesis-abacab#16341 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=750&PID=16333&title=genesis-abacab#16333 Author: sriv94
Subject: 750
Posted: 17 May 2008 at 2:21pm

edtop40 wrote: i don't hear a glitch at 3:25, but there is a real bad edit at the 3:33 mark...

Thanks to the dub Ed provided, it would appear the glitch on the CD is a bad mastering error--not part of the 45.]]> Sat, 17 May 2008 14:21:13 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=750&PID=16333&title=genesis-abacab#16333