https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ Copyright (c) 2006-2013 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Sun, 03 May 2026 11:08:01 +0000 Sun, 15 Sep 2019 11:40:50 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 12.07 360 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=7573 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum//images/Top-40-Music-on-CD-Forum-Logo.png https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7573&PID=52716&title=elton-john-little-jeannie#52716 Author: PopArchivist
Subject: 7573
Posted: 15 September 2019 at 11:40am

Scanner wrote: The "Diamonds" version of this song is only 4:49. Based on this thread, this seems like an arbitrary fade just to fit all the songs on one CD. Was there ever really a 4:49 version of "Little Jeannie" released?

No not that I know of.]]> Sun, 15 Sep 2019 11:40:50 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7573&PID=52716&title=elton-john-little-jeannie#52716 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7573&PID=52715&title=elton-john-little-jeannie#52715 Author: Scanner
Subject: 7573
Posted: 14 September 2019 at 6:01pm

The "Diamonds" version of this song is only 4:49. Based
on this thread, this seems like an arbitrary fade just
to fit all the songs on one CD. Was there ever really a
4:49 version of "Little Jeannie" released?]]> Sat, 14 Sep 2019 18:01:35 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7573&PID=52715&title=elton-john-little-jeannie#52715 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7573&PID=48583&title=elton-john-little-jeannie#48583 Author: Ringmaster_D
Subject: 7573
Posted: 14 November 2017 at 12:39pm

Thanks Brian. Those long fades are a bear for timing,
aren't they? I think I'll go back to the 21 at
33 version and recreate the fade from that,
especially if the actual length of the 45 is closer to
5:15, which would make most versions about 5 seconds
short. By the way, when I first posted I was really
concerned about potential speed differences. To me even
slight speed differences can greatly affect the "feel"
of the song.]]> Tue, 14 Nov 2017 12:39:04 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7573&PID=48583&title=elton-john-little-jeannie#48583 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7573&PID=48582&title=elton-john-little-jeannie#48582 Author: Brian W.
Subject: 7573
Posted: 14 November 2017 at 6:11am

FYI, my MCA US stock copy of "Little Jeannie" (deadwax MC 10219-AM4 with "YOU CAN'T BEAT THAT" etched into the deadwax as well) seems to runs the full-length of the LP version, maybe minus one second (hard to tell, my 45 is fairly crackly).

But my 45 starts to fade at a more rapid rate during the last few seconds, in the middle of the word "bad" at 5:12, I think. The LP version ends with "I'm so in..." and I can hear that final "I'm so..." on my 45, but it's lower in volume than on the album. The final "in" may be there, but my record is too crackly to hear it.

The original MCA "21 at 33" album is the only source I know of where this song doesn't dump early at all. It runs 5:16 there. It's a close second for "Greatest Hits Vol III," where it does end before that final word "so."

As far as speed goes, I don't have a direct drive turntable and my 45 of this has the center hole quite a bit off center, which made the speed wonky, so I can't contribute anything as far as running time goes.

Edited by Brian W.]]> Tue, 14 Nov 2017 06:11:23 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7573&PID=48582&title=elton-john-little-jeannie#48582 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7573&PID=38649&title=elton-john-little-jeannie#38649 Author: Ringmaster_D
Subject: 7573
Posted: 29 July 2013 at 7:19am

Thanks everyone. The efforts of those on this board with access to the original vinyl--as well as computer capabilities--is always appreciated, especially by those of us with musical OCD. And, yes, I've always dug this tune. ]]> Mon, 29 Jul 2013 07:19:13 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7573&PID=38649&title=elton-john-little-jeannie#38649 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7573&PID=38631&title=elton-john-little-jeannie#38631 Author: crapfromthepast
Subject: 7573
Posted: 25 July 2013 at 7:21pm

For the sake of completeness:

71.7 BPM on Greatest Hits 1976-1986 (1992)
71.9 BPM on Greatest Hits Vol. 3 1979-1987 (1987)
71.7 BPM on To Be Continued (1990)
71.9 BPM with an early fade on Love Songs (1982?)

No speed issues on any of these, or the three listed above.]]> Thu, 25 Jul 2013 19:21:41 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7573&PID=38631&title=elton-john-little-jeannie#38631 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7573&PID=38628&title=elton-john-little-jeannie#38628 Author: jimct
Subject: 7573
Posted: 25 July 2013 at 4:42pm

Dave, I don't really think "the plot thickened" here. I myself own hundreds
of 45s with slightly different run times, based on different pressing
plants/stampers. This song must *really* be a personal favorite of yours,
for you to be quite this curious, over basically 2 seconds. I could've just as
easily called own my 45's timing (5:13), not (5:12). It was right on the
borderline.

I pulled both my promo and stock 45s out for you, and timed them. My 45
boxes are stacked 8 high. Lifting is a major problem for me. Posters after
me have determined that there is no speed difference. I trust their
findings on that. My comment that my 45 *may* have been sped up was
simply thrown out as a possibility; it has since been refuted. I am not one
of the guys on this board that can load audio into a computer, and
compares wav files. Don't know how to. Like I said earlier, when songs
have usually long, slow fades, like "Little Jeannie" does, my experiences
has been that you tend to get a wider end timing range. Some 45/CD
master-ers will dump out a couple of seconds early (like the 5:10 length
CDs). Others won't. After all the great info contributed by others to this
post, I am now certain that my stock/promo 45 copies were simply faded
:02-:03 seconds earlier than Abagon's was.

Dave, I hope you appreciated the effort that I've already gone to here for
you. With all due respect, I've done as much as I can to help you already.



Edited by jimct]]> Thu, 25 Jul 2013 16:42:23 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7573&PID=38628&title=elton-john-little-jeannie#38628 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7573&PID=38624&title=elton-john-little-jeannie#38624 Author: crapfromthepast
Subject: 7573
Posted: 25 July 2013 at 11:06am

I don't think I've ever noticed a speed variation from mastering-to-mastering. They all run about 72 BPM.

The version on Rhino's Billboard Top Hits 1980 (1992) runs 71.8 BPM throughout. The version on Time-Life's Sounds Of The Eighties Vol. 7 1980 (1995)is a differently-EQ'd digital clone of the Rhino disc. The version on the 50-CD promo CD The A List also runs at 71.8 BPM throughout.

If I remember, I'll dig up the BPM values for the single-artist EJ discs tonight.

Edited by crapfromthepast]]> Thu, 25 Jul 2013 11:06:07 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7573&PID=38624&title=elton-john-little-jeannie#38624 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7573&PID=38623&title=elton-john-little-jeannie#38623 Author: Yah Shure
Subject: 7573
Posted: 25 July 2013 at 10:42am

My commercial 45 is a Pinckneyville pressing, and the actual time runs 5:15.5. Deadwax reads "YOU CAN IT BEAT THAT"   "MC 10219-AM4". Yes, I figured they'd meant "can't beat, but if the "I" was supposed to be an apostrophe, it shouldn't have been etched lower than the "T" to the right of it. :)

Brian W. wrote: Did you know that if Philips had had their way, our CDs would be 14 bits instead of 16 bits?

So... would brickwalled CDs have sounded any less louder at 14 bits than they already do at 16?   ;)

Edited by Yah Shure]]> Thu, 25 Jul 2013 10:42:39 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7573&PID=38623&title=elton-john-little-jeannie#38623 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7573&PID=38622&title=elton-john-little-jeannie#38622 Author: Ringmaster_D
Subject: 7573
Posted: 25 July 2013 at 9:01am

The plot thickens! Jim, did you confirm that the difference between your copy and the LP is in fact due to speed, or is it an early fade?]]> Thu, 25 Jul 2013 09:01:54 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7573&PID=38622&title=elton-john-little-jeannie#38622