https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ Copyright (c) 2006-2013 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Thu, 23 Apr 2026 01:21:35 +0000 Fri, 10 Mar 2017 01:32:55 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 12.07 360 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=774 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum//images/Top-40-Music-on-CD-Forum-Logo.png https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=774&PID=47153&title=santana-evil-ways#47153 Author: MMathews
Subject: 774
Posted: 10 March 2017 at 1:32am

Thanks to Andy for sending me the correct 45 mix of this.
I had not heard it in many years back when I had the
vinyl Greatest Hits. I thought I'd remembered hearing it
with all the vocals in the center.
After carefully comparing the single to the LP mix, I
feel the CDs in the database labeled as "45 version"
should be updated to "edit of LP version in an
unsuccessful attempt to re-create the 45 version"...or
something like that. I think the mix differences are
enough for this designation.

The 45 has reverb on the vocals that is not present in
the LP mix. All of the percussion is mixed differently,
but the one element that is easy to hear is the cowbell -
it is mixed to the center in the 45 and turned up louder.
There are more small mix differences, too many to list.

I also tried folding the edited LP mix to mono, and while
it's a good wide stereo mix for the LP, in mono it does
not work well (everything sounds distant) and it sounds
nothing like the 45.

MM]]> Fri, 10 Mar 2017 01:32:55 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=774&PID=47153&title=santana-evil-ways#47153 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=774&PID=33750&title=santana-evil-ways#33750 Author: Hykker
Subject: 774
Posted: 16 April 2012 at 7:26am

Yah Shure wrote: Odder still is the very idea that ANY DJ 45 would have a listed time of 3:01!

Yeah. I'm all for an accurate representation of song length. :-/]]> Mon, 16 Apr 2012 07:26:22 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=774&PID=33750&title=santana-evil-ways#33750 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=774&PID=33739&title=santana-evil-ways#33739 Author: Yah Shure
Subject: 774
Posted: 14 April 2012 at 7:44pm

Hykker wrote: Don't know what plant pressed my promo, but it has the 2:35 listed time (actual 2:58) both mono & stereo.

I actually did a double-take when I saw 3:01 listed on the label. Didn't all the record companies have some unwritten "mulligan" rule whereby anything that fell within three or four days of the three-minute-mark automatically got a listed time of 2:59? :)

How odd that Columbia would have actually exceeded that sacred three-minute listed limit when the track itself falls two or three seconds short.

Odder still is the very idea that ANY DJ 45 would have a listed time of 3:01! ]]> Sat, 14 Apr 2012 19:44:13 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=774&PID=33739&title=santana-evil-ways#33739 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=774&PID=33734&title=santana-evil-ways#33734 Author: Hykker
Subject: 774
Posted: 14 April 2012 at 4:57pm

Yah Shure wrote: mono/stereo DJ 45 Terre Haute pressing. Listed times on both sides are (3:01)

Don't know what plant pressed my promo, but it has the 2:35 listed time (actual 2:58) both mono & stereo. ]]> Sat, 14 Apr 2012 16:57:34 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=774&PID=33734&title=santana-evil-ways#33734 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=774&PID=33733&title=santana-evil-ways#33733 Author: Yah Shure
Subject: 774
Posted: 14 April 2012 at 2:58pm

Here are my timing results:

stock 45
Pitman pressing. "ZSP 152121-2E"
Terre Haute pressing. "ZSP 152121-2C"

Both have a listed time of (2:35) and actual time of (2:58)


mono/stereo DJ 45
Terre Haute pressing. Listed times on both sides are (3:01)

mono: "ZSP 152121-2C" actual time (2:58)
stereo: "ZSS 152122-2C STEREO" actual time (2:59)

(My vinyl Santana's Greatest Hits LP is the quad version; actual time of (4:02) with the unique cold ending mentioned in an earlier thread.)]]> Sat, 14 Apr 2012 14:58:09 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=774&PID=33733&title=santana-evil-ways#33733 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=774&PID=33716&title=santana-evil-ways#33716 Author: Hykker
Subject: 774
Posted: 13 April 2012 at 5:52am

Gary Mack wrote: The stereo promo 45 runs 2:58 even though the label says 2:35.

To save me the trouble of digging out my copy, how does the timing of the stereo side compare to the mono side?   Never noticed a difference just casually listening.]]> Fri, 13 Apr 2012 05:52:55 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=774&PID=33716&title=santana-evil-ways#33716 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=774&PID=33712&title=santana-evil-ways#33712 Author: Gary Mack
Subject: 774
Posted: 12 April 2012 at 7:07pm

The stereo promo 45 runs 2:58 even though the label says
2:35. And the Greatest Hits LP version also has
centered vocals.

GM

Edited by Gary Mack]]> Thu, 12 Apr 2012 19:07:08 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=774&PID=33712&title=santana-evil-ways#33712 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=774&PID=33711&title=santana-evil-ways#33711 Author: Gary Mack
Subject: 774
Posted: 12 April 2012 at 5:01pm

My stereo/mono promo 45 has a listed time of 2:35, whereas
my promo copy of the original Greatest Hits LP
release shows a 3:00 run time. I haven't timed any of
them, however. How do those compare to the stock single?

GM

Edited by Gary Mack]]> Thu, 12 Apr 2012 17:01:37 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=774&PID=33711&title=santana-evil-ways#33711 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=774&PID=33705&title=santana-evil-ways#33705 Author: aaronk
Subject: 774
Posted: 11 April 2012 at 11:09pm

Thanks for the tip, Andy!]]> Wed, 11 Apr 2012 23:09:00 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=774&PID=33705&title=santana-evil-ways#33705 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=774&PID=33697&title=santana-evil-ways#33697 Author: AndrewChouffi
Subject: 774
Posted: 11 April 2012 at 7:00pm

Hi People,

Thanks for reviving the topic. I still haven't found the stereo single mix on CD or download, but I did find it on the original vinyl lp of 'Santana's Greatest Hits'.

Andy]]> Wed, 11 Apr 2012 19:00:59 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=774&PID=33697&title=santana-evil-ways#33697