https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ Copyright (c) 2006-2013 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Sat, 09 May 2026 02:07:55 +0000 Sun, 06 Jul 2014 19:53:59 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 12.07 360 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=8014 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum//images/Top-40-Music-on-CD-Forum-Logo.png https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8014&PID=41772&title=three-dog-night-black-and-white#41772 Author: sriv94
Subject: 8014
Posted: 06 July 2014 at 7:53pm

Anybody got a good quality needledrop or digital recreation?]]> Sun, 06 Jul 2014 19:53:59 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8014&PID=41772&title=three-dog-night-black-and-white#41772 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8014&PID=40817&title=three-dog-night-black-and-white#40817 Author: Yah Shure
Subject: 8014
Posted: 25 March 2014 at 9:52pm

I've been comparing the true stereo intro and the mono 45 intro and can see why perhaps the decision was made to splice the mono intro onto the stereo side of the DJ 45. When the stereo intro is summed to mono - as it would be if played on AM radio or heard over a mono FM receiver - the piano gets pushed back a bit further in the mix, and when the cowbell moseys into the pasture, it really overpowers the piano. The piano keys end up sounding a bit on the tinny side; not like Schroeder is banging them out on his toy piano, but still a bit more on the ragtime side of the aisle.

On the mono intro, the cowbells are more reined in, and the piano notes sound full and solid, with a bit more of the commanding presence needed to kick off a number one-caliber hit. ]]> Tue, 25 Mar 2014 21:52:39 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8014&PID=40817&title=three-dog-night-black-and-white#40817 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8014&PID=40814&title=three-dog-night-black-and-white#40814 Author: aaronk
Subject: 8014
Posted: 25 March 2014 at 7:29pm

Ha! Good one!]]> Tue, 25 Mar 2014 19:29:31 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8014&PID=40814&title=three-dog-night-black-and-white#40814 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8014&PID=40812&title=three-dog-night-black-and-white#40812 Author: Yah Shure
Subject: 8014
Posted: 25 March 2014 at 6:46pm

It's The Wizard Of Oz effect: the song changes from "Black And White" to stereo. ;)]]> Tue, 25 Mar 2014 18:46:03 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8014&PID=40812&title=three-dog-night-black-and-white#40812 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8014&PID=40811&title=three-dog-night-black-and-white#40811 Author: aaronk
Subject: 8014
Posted: 25 March 2014 at 4:12pm

Something just occurred to me. I wonder if the 45 version on CD comes
from the actual stereo single master tape. If the person who discovered
that tape found that the intro was in mono, maybe he tried to "correct"
that mistake by splicing on the LP intro, which is in stereo.

This would also explain the strange tape splice glitch on CD copies with
the 45 version.

Edited by aaronk]]> Tue, 25 Mar 2014 16:12:52 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8014&PID=40811&title=three-dog-night-black-and-white#40811 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8014&PID=40810&title=three-dog-night-black-and-white#40810 Author: sriv94
Subject: 8014
Posted: 25 March 2014 at 3:39pm

That's disappointing. But not surprising.]]> Tue, 25 Mar 2014 15:39:20 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8014&PID=40810&title=three-dog-night-black-and-white#40810 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8014&PID=40808&title=three-dog-night-black-and-white#40808 Author: aaronk
Subject: 8014
Posted: 25 March 2014 at 1:37pm

I figured I'd take the "edtop40" approach and just review all of the singles of a particular group. In this case, Three Dog Night. Don't worry. I'll be starting at Aaliyah and working my way to ZZ Top soon. :)

At any rate, there is an odd, small difference I noticed on "Black And White" when comparing the mono 45 to the stereo version. The second to last piano note, just before the vocal starts, is different between the two versions. On the stereo, that piano note is chopped in half, exactly at the point where the first drum starts. On the mono 45, the piano note is not cut short; rather, it carries over top of the first drum hit.

For those of us who are exact scientists when it comes to this stuff, that would mean the "45 version" on CD is technically an unsuccessful attempt at creating the 45 from the LP.

Bill Cahill also pointed out to me that the promo 45's stereo side has the intro in mono, while the rest of the song is stereo. Guess where it switches over. Right at the last piano note, so the stereo side does not have the halved second-to-last note like the actual stereo mix does. Makes no sense to me, but there you have it.

And if you're following along at home, the last six piano notes go like this:

STEREO VERSION
DaaaDaaaDaaaDaaaaDa Daaaa

MONO VERSION
DaaaDaaaDaaaDaaaaDaaDaaaa

Edited by aaronk]]> Tue, 25 Mar 2014 13:37:29 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8014&PID=40808&title=three-dog-night-black-and-white#40808