https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ Copyright (c) 2006-2013 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Sat, 09 May 2026 11:19:42 +0000 Fri, 28 Mar 2014 10:19:39 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 12.07 360 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=8015 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum//images/Top-40-Music-on-CD-Forum-Logo.png https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8015&PID=40856&title=beatles-the-ballad-of-john-yoko#40856 Author: Bill Cahill
Subject: 8015
Posted: 28 March 2014 at 10:19am

I can confirm Hykker's comment on the WPTR Albany edit. I emailed the guy who I thought made it, and he confirmed it was his "in house" edit, not something Capitol supplied. ]]> Fri, 28 Mar 2014 10:19:39 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8015&PID=40856&title=beatles-the-ballad-of-john-yoko#40856 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8015&PID=40855&title=beatles-the-ballad-of-john-yoko#40855 Author: sriv94
Subject: 8015
Posted: 28 March 2014 at 9:59am

Yah Shure wrote: sriv94 wrote: Was that skip actually on the master for the 45, or did the local radio station just play a crappy 45 and never replaced it? Doug, it was the local station playing a crappy 45 (what else was there from Capitol in late '69?) :) Actually, it's a result of a mastering glitch at the 2:57 point, which in all likelihood was present on the tape used to cut the single. The stock copy of "Cold Turkey" I bought when it came out matched the skip I was hearing on local station KRSI; I'm guessing it's a Winchester pressing, because it's not like other Capitol 45s I was buying at the time. There are no serrated interlocks along the label perimeter and no deadwax notations of any sort to indicate pressing plant. All that's inscribed is "47025". I bought a new old stock copy at my neighborhood record store in the early '90s that skipped in the same spot when I played it at the time. Using my present Shure V15V-MR cartridge, it does track properly, but with three loud pops at that point. There's a sudden spike during the "tur" of "turkey" at 2:57; one that's so loud that it seriously elbows the grooves on either side of it, causing the first and third loud pops. This second copy is a Scranton pressing, with the IAM logo and "S45-47025-X6#3" in the deadwax. It *does* have the interlocking serrations around the label perimeter. The Winchester pressing still skips at the same 'ol spot it always has. There's no loud pop at the point where the groove walls are breached; if it weren't for the beat suddenly getting out of sync, it would have sounded intentional. "Cold key" could've meant any number of things in a song like this one. Now if there'd been a similar skip on the "Don't Worry Kyoko" B-side, no one would have been the wiser. ;)

Great story, John!

I guess my question is whether that would be enough to warrant a "version" difference in the database, since my CD copy of "The John Lennon Collection" doesn't have that skip (which might make it the LP version).

Edited by sriv94]]> Fri, 28 Mar 2014 09:59:49 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8015&PID=40855&title=beatles-the-ballad-of-john-yoko#40855 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8015&PID=40854&title=beatles-the-ballad-of-john-yoko#40854 Author: jcr102
Subject: 8015
Posted: 28 March 2014 at 7:19am

Toronto's CHUM played a version of the song with "Christ" edited out, while a station an hour away in Hamilton played the song intact.]]> Fri, 28 Mar 2014 07:19:01 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8015&PID=40854&title=beatles-the-ballad-of-john-yoko#40854 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8015&PID=40845&title=beatles-the-ballad-of-john-yoko#40845 Author: Yah Shure
Subject: 8015
Posted: 27 March 2014 at 1:28pm

sriv94 wrote: Was that skip actually on the master for the 45, or did the local radio station just play a crappy 45 and never replaced it?

Doug, it was the local station playing a crappy 45 (what else was there from Capitol in late '69?) :) Actually, it's a result of a mastering glitch at the 2:57 point, which in all likelihood was present on the tape used to cut the single.

The stock copy of "Cold Turkey" I bought when it came out matched the skip I was hearing on local station KRSI; I'm guessing it's a Winchester pressing, because it's not like other Capitol 45s I was buying at the time. There are no serrated interlocks along the label perimeter and no deadwax notations of any sort to indicate pressing plant. All that's inscribed is "47025".

I bought a new old stock copy at my neighborhood record store in the early '90s that skipped in the same spot when I played it at the time. Using my present Shure V15V-MR cartridge, it does track properly, but with three loud pops at that point. There's a sudden spike during the "tur" of "turkey" at 2:57; one that's so loud that it seriously elbows the grooves on either side of it, causing the first and third loud pops. This second copy is a Scranton pressing, with the IAM logo and "S45-47025-X6#3" in the deadwax. It *does* have the interlocking serrations around the label perimeter.

The Winchester pressing still skips at the same 'ol spot it always has. There's no loud pop at the point where the groove walls are breached; if it weren't for the beat suddenly getting out of sync, it would have sounded intentional. "Cold key" could've meant any number of things in a song like this one.

Now if there'd been a similar skip on the "Don't Worry Kyoko" B-side, no one would have been the wiser. ;)]]> Thu, 27 Mar 2014 13:28:34 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8015&PID=40845&title=beatles-the-ballad-of-john-yoko#40845 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8015&PID=40839&title=beatles-the-ballad-of-john-yoko#40839 Author: sriv94
Subject: 8015
Posted: 27 March 2014 at 8:05am

Yah Shure wrote: Speaking of Mr. Lennon, the abrupt edits remind me a bit of the skip in the U.S. "Cold Turkey" 45: "cold key has got me on the run." After hearing it like that on the radio during its run, I still half expect it all these years larer.

Was that skip actually on the master for the 45, or did the local radio station just play a crappy 45 and never replaced it?]]> Thu, 27 Mar 2014 08:05:19 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8015&PID=40839&title=beatles-the-ballad-of-john-yoko#40839 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8015&PID=40838&title=beatles-the-ballad-of-john-yoko#40838 Author: Hykker
Subject: 8015
Posted: 27 March 2014 at 5:33am

Can't speak for any of the other Drake-consulted RKO
stations, but WRKO in Boston didn't play the song at all.
Cross-town competitor WMEX played it unedited, as did the
small-market station I did weekends at.
I do recall hearing clunky house edits on WPTR and WKBW.]]> Thu, 27 Mar 2014 05:33:43 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8015&PID=40838&title=beatles-the-ballad-of-john-yoko#40838 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8015&PID=40837&title=beatles-the-ballad-of-john-yoko#40837 Author: Paul Haney
Subject: 8015
Posted: 27 March 2014 at 4:44am

I was only three years-old when this song was a hit, but I clearly remember in the early 1980s, one of my local oldies stations playing a version that bleeped out the word "christ". I heard this version so often, that I was shocked when I finally got an actual copy of the 45 and found that it was uncensored! I assume that what they played was an in-house edit, but I'll never know for sure.]]> Thu, 27 Mar 2014 04:44:36 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8015&PID=40837&title=beatles-the-ballad-of-john-yoko#40837 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8015&PID=40830&title=beatles-the-ballad-of-john-yoko#40830 Author: Yah Shure
Subject: 8015
Posted: 26 March 2014 at 6:23pm

A very interesting find, Jim! I seem to recall hearing an edited version locally at the time, but couldn't begin to guess which station might have played it. It could have been the local Drake-Chenault Hit Parade station, assuming that format would've aired it in the first place.

The edit in the third verse of that NZ promo is by far the best; at least it manages to keep the beat going.

Speaking of Mr. Lennon, the abrupt edits remind me a bit of the skip in the U.S. "Cold Turkey" 45: "cold key has got me on the run." After hearing it like that on the radio during its run, I still half expect it all these years larer. ]]> Wed, 26 Mar 2014 18:23:51 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8015&PID=40830&title=beatles-the-ballad-of-john-yoko#40830 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8015&PID=40827&title=beatles-the-ballad-of-john-yoko#40827 Author: jimct
Subject: 8015
Posted: 26 March 2014 at 5:33pm

In 1969, there was a pretty-fair-sized airplay fuss going on, regarding
this song. It had to do with John Lennon's repeated use of the word
"Christ".

Airplay for it in my neck of the woods (Southern CT) was almost non-
existent, with the two Top 40 stations choosing to hardly play/chart it at
all. But the two primary Hartford Top 40 stations did play it heavily, both
charting it in their Top 10. I could hear one station (also simulcast on FM)
easily, but the other (AM) I couldn't. I do remember hearing a version with
all of the "Christ" references edited out. But I also remember hearing the
song played fully intact. This was the era of powerful Top 40 format
consultants, such as Bill Drake, where he/his people would generally
determine song policy at all "their stations". I certainly don't want to get
into a big to-do about all that now. But it does have some relevance here.

I was always under the impression that the edit I heard was a custom, in-
house edit. Guys like Drake would distribute the occasional special edit to
all their stations, giving these versions more overall exposure.

As I constantly try to hunt down the still-elusive 45 rarities to my
collection, I am all-too-often steered to the collectorsfrenzy.com site.
Where I find expired, expensive auctions for rare promos I want. If you go
to the main site, and key in "beatles john yoko zealand" to the search
field, only one entry pops up. Valuable song insight is provided below the
listing. It explains how approximately 50 "censored" promo copies were
sent to New Zealand stations. Australian radio then noticed, and asked for
similar copies, which they got. It states there that it is now thought that
EMI (UK) was actually responsible for creating this edited version, not Oz
or NZ label branches, despite it never having been issued in England.

Who knows? Perhaps Bill Drake was able to procure an import copy, or a
reel-to-reel dub, and distribute it to his client stations from there. Or at
least knew of it, giving him the idea to do a similar, in-house edit here. It
does reek a bit of the "plausible deniability" Geffen was seeking, when
years later, they allowed Hitmakers to send out a promo CD single of
several Guns N' Roses' "November Rain" edits, while providing radio with
just the LP version themselves.

Luckily, two kind souls have uploaded this rare edit to YouTube. If you'd
like to hear it, use the same four keywords there I suggested for the
auction site. If you think it sounds a little "clunky", you're right. But I
remember hearing other in-house edit attempts that came off far worse -
basically a train wreck. So, although I'll likely never find one of those rare
promo 45s, it's now a fairly easy re-creation for any of our editors, if
interested.

Edited by jimct]]> Wed, 26 Mar 2014 17:33:18 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8015&PID=40827&title=beatles-the-ballad-of-john-yoko#40827