https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ Copyright (c) 2006-2013 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Fri, 08 May 2026 16:55:09 +0000 Thu, 05 Mar 2015 02:37:08 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 12.07 360 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=8277 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum//images/Top-40-Music-on-CD-Forum-Logo.png https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8277&PID=43213&title=pono-music-is-up-and-running#43213 Author: Brian W.
Subject: 8277
Posted: 05 March 2015 at 2:37am

aaronk wrote: I bought the Faith remaster, because I didn't actually own the full album on CD (surprisingly). I wouldn't automatically assume that all digital recordings were at 44.1 kHz, 16 bit. Quite possibly they used digital recorders with higher bit depths and sampling rates than a standard audio CD.

Or lower... Madonna's "Like a Virgin" album is DDD,
but the liner notes state that it was recorded at 44.1
kHZ, 12 bit. That's right, 12 bit. Unless it's a
typo.



Edited by Brian W.]]> Thu, 05 Mar 2015 02:37:08 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8277&PID=43213&title=pono-music-is-up-and-running#43213 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8277&PID=43209&title=pono-music-is-up-and-running#43209 Author: aaronk
Subject: 8277
Posted: 04 March 2015 at 8:42pm

aaronk wrote: I bought the Faith remaster, because I didn't actually own the full album on CD (surprisingly). The bonus tracks are definitely nice. I haven't analyzed it in an editor to see if the tracks are brickwalled, but I would imagine they are.

I just ripped it to my hard drive, and I'm pleasantly surprised to see that the dynamic range is quite nice. There doesn't appear to be any brickwalled audio on this release.]]> Wed, 04 Mar 2015 20:42:07 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8277&PID=43209&title=pono-music-is-up-and-running#43209 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8277&PID=43207&title=pono-music-is-up-and-running#43207 Author: aaronk
Subject: 8277
Posted: 04 March 2015 at 7:55pm

I bought the Faith remaster, because I didn't actually own the full album on CD (surprisingly). The bonus tracks are definitely nice. I haven't analyzed it in an editor to see if the tracks are brickwalled, but I would imagine they are.

To address your question about DDD, it would depend on the resolution used during the recording process. I'm not sure about the technology at that time, but I wouldn't automatically assume that all digital recordings were at 44.1 kHz, 16 bit. Quite possibly they used digital recorders with higher bit depths and sampling rates than a standard audio CD.]]> Wed, 04 Mar 2015 19:55:18 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8277&PID=43207&title=pono-music-is-up-and-running#43207 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8277&PID=43206&title=pono-music-is-up-and-running#43206 Author: NightAire
Subject: 8277
Posted: 04 March 2015 at 7:39pm

Quote: Janet Jackson's "Control" album was DDD, wasn't it? Nope. It's an analog recording (AAD) all the way. her producers Jimmy Jam/Terry Lewis were analog guys.

What a bizarre mis-remembering on my part, but I see in
Discogs on the CD label, "AAD."

Let's take a different example then: Billy Joel's "Nylon
Curtain" or George Michael's "Faith."

All you've got is all you're going to get with those...
no?

(I couldn't figure out why they "remastered" Faith
recently, other than maybe to make it a louder disc. The
bonuses looked nice, though.)]]> Wed, 04 Mar 2015 19:39:07 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8277&PID=43206&title=pono-music-is-up-and-running#43206 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8277&PID=43195&title=pono-music-is-up-and-running#43195 Author: The Hits Man
Subject: 8277
Posted: 03 March 2015 at 3:36pm

NightAire wrote: I notice Pono and 7Digital offering albums currently available on CD (16 bit / 44.1 Khz). For example, you could buy Bruce Springsteen's Greatest Hits, and you could buy Bruce Springsteen's "Tunnel of Love" album. Typically in these situations I would go for the original album because the collections tend to be more heavily compressed and / or clipped.

In this case, you can rest easy. The new Bruce
Springsteen remasters up to "Born In The U.S.A. are not
compressed at all.

Janet Jackson's "Control" album was DDD, wasn't it?

Nope. It's an analog recording (AAD) all the way. her
producers Jimmy Jam/Terry Lewis were analog guys.]]> Tue, 03 Mar 2015 15:36:39 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8277&PID=43195&title=pono-music-is-up-and-running#43195 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8277&PID=43171&title=pono-music-is-up-and-running#43171 Author: NightAire
Subject: 8277
Posted: 28 February 2015 at 4:16pm

I notice Pono and 7Digital offering albums currently
available on CD (16 bit / 44.1 Khz). For example, you
could buy Bruce Springsteen's Greatest Hits, and you
could buy Bruce Springsteen's "Tunnel of Love" album.

Typically in these situations I would go for the original
album because the collections tend to be more heavily
compressed and / or clipped.

Has anybody checked to see if the albums on these sites
are as compressed / clipped as the CD versions, or if in
remastering them for the websites, they left off the
clipping?

Also, if you have a digital master at 16 bit / 44.1 Khz,
how can you then release a file of it at 24 bit / 96 Khz?
I haven't found a specific example yet, but I could
imagine it happening. Janet Jackson's "Control" album
was DDD, wasn't it? There's no way to create a higher
rez master, I assume...]]> Sat, 28 Feb 2015 16:16:22 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8277&PID=43171&title=pono-music-is-up-and-running#43171 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8277&PID=43170&title=pono-music-is-up-and-running#43170 Author: The Hits Man
Subject: 8277
Posted: 28 February 2015 at 1:38am

I do not have a "high-end" system, but can hear the
difference between a 320kbps mp3 files and the original
non-data compressed file. No, I don't have super
hearing, I just know what to listen for.]]> Sat, 28 Feb 2015 01:38:28 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8277&PID=43170&title=pono-music-is-up-and-running#43170 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8277&PID=43149&title=pono-music-is-up-and-running#43149 Author: crapfromthepast
Subject: 8277
Posted: 25 February 2015 at 12:00pm

You can easily tell the difference between mp3 and wav for bitrates of 192 kbps and lower. The midrange and high frequencies will have an upleasant "whooshing" characteristic from the encoding - most noticeable on the cymbals.

I can hear the difference between 256 kbps mp3 and wav, but only on fairly high-end equipment, like my mobile DJ gear. The artifacts at 256 kbps are small, but they're still there.

At 320 kbps, I can't really tell the difference between mp3 and wav. I did some informal tests, with the same song encoded as a lossless flac file, and as a 320 kbps mp3. I couldn't tell the difference in an A/B comparison. Maybe I could have differentiated the two on a really high-end system, but I don't have a really high-end system.

A few years ago, when I moved my mobile DJ and radio work onto the laptop/USB-sound-card, I initially encoded everything as flac. My DJ software could search and play the flac files just fine, but it didn't display the ID3 tags very well. And then I ran out of space on the laptop's hard drive. (Crap From The Past has a much larger library than any normal person/show should need.)

So I re-encoded everything to 320 kpbs mp3 and replaced all the flac files on the laptop. I fit more songs fit on the hard drive, with better compatibility with my DJ software, and no real noticeable change in sound quality. My radio station streams at 256 kbps (which is great for a radio station), so you wouldn't hear a difference between a flac and a 320 kbps mp3 song anyway.

My advice, if you haven't heard it already from everyone else:

Rip your CDs to flac.
Make sure your tags are complete, consistent and correct.
Make multiple copies of your library on separate hard drives. If possible, trade hard drives with people, so you can recover your stuff in the event that something bad happens.]]> Wed, 25 Feb 2015 12:00:57 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8277&PID=43149&title=pono-music-is-up-and-running#43149 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8277&PID=43148&title=pono-music-is-up-and-running#43148 Author: Fetta
Subject: 8277
Posted: 25 February 2015 at 8:54am

When DJing at at club on a large sound system, I can hear a difference between MP3's vs. CD. To my ears MP3s never sounded quite the same in a really large club setting.      However, on a home system or in the car, or on an ipod, I can't tell the difference at all.

Curious if any other club or mobile DJs feel the same. ]]> Wed, 25 Feb 2015 08:54:37 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8277&PID=43148&title=pono-music-is-up-and-running#43148 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8277&PID=43145&title=pono-music-is-up-and-running#43145 Author: MMathews
Subject: 8277
Posted: 24 February 2015 at 4:01pm

So true about not all mp3's being equal. The software used to create an mp3 and the settings used in that software will have a great impact on the result. A slow-encoded mp3 at 320k is almost indistinguishable from a wav when examined in spectral view.
And then of course, everyone's hearing is different which makes Gordon's survey an interesting one.
I think most of us who purchase music want to get the best quality we possibly can for our money, even if it's higher quality than we are capable of hearing.   ]]> Tue, 24 Feb 2015 16:01:11 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8277&PID=43145&title=pono-music-is-up-and-running#43145