https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ Copyright (c) 2006-2013 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Tue, 14 Apr 2026 17:22:58 +0000 Sat, 20 Feb 2016 00:42:34 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 12.07 360 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=8495 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum//images/Top-40-Music-on-CD-Forum-Logo.png https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8495&PID=45042&title=white-lines-grandmaster-flash#45042 Author: eriejwg
Subject: 8495
Posted: 20 February 2016 at 12:42am

Glad that's all straightened out!]]> Sat, 20 Feb 2016 00:42:34 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8495&PID=45042&title=white-lines-grandmaster-flash#45042 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8495&PID=45041&title=white-lines-grandmaster-flash#45041 Author: crapfromthepast
Subject: 8495
Posted: 19 February 2016 at 8:44pm

Confirming eriejwg's findings - this one is really easy if you start with one of the Rhino discs.

The version on Rhino's Best Of Sugar Hill Records (1998) sounds great. The version on Rhino's Millennium Hip-Hop Party (1999) is digitally exactly 1.431 dB quieter than Best Of Sugar Hill Records. Both have the same timings if you want to do your own edits.

My editing instructions are basically the same as eriejwg's, but I start my fade a few beats earlier. (I use a sinusoidal-shape fade in Cool Edit Pro, which has a very gentle start.)

Remove the 16 beats from 0:00 to 0:08.9 of the Rhino versions.

Segment 1
472 beats long
Begins and ends on a downbeat
Extends from 0:00.0 to 4:05.5 of the promo 45 edit
Extends from 0:08.9 to 4:14.4 of the Rhino versions

Fade
16 beats long
Begins and ends on a downbeat
Extends from 3:57.1 to 4:05.5 of the promo 45 edit
Extends from 4:06.0 to 4:14.4 of the Rhino versions

Your mixdown will have no edits in it, will run 4:05.5, and will have a 16-beat long fade from 3:57.1 to 4:05.5.]]> Fri, 19 Feb 2016 20:44:40 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8495&PID=45041&title=white-lines-grandmaster-flash#45041 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8495&PID=45040&title=white-lines-grandmaster-flash#45040 Author: eriejwg
Subject: 8495
Posted: 19 February 2016 at 3:46pm

I was able to easily recreate Jim's promo 45 from the
4:29 1 track single on Rhapsody.

Remove from 0:00.000 - 0:08.326
With what you have left, place a fade, beginning on the
word "rock" at 3:59.3 to the word "freeze" at 4:06.2

Ending file runs 4:06.2]]> Fri, 19 Feb 2016 15:46:51 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8495&PID=45040&title=white-lines-grandmaster-flash#45040 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8495&PID=45038&title=white-lines-grandmaster-flash#45038 Author: crapfromthepast
Subject: 8495
Posted: 19 February 2016 at 1:33pm

Jim's promo 45 is a really good edit of the song, and is very different from what I posted above.

I humbly retract the editing instructions from above, since they're not even close to what's on the real US promo 45.

(I know I reverse-engineered *something*, but after 17 years, I don't remember what it was. Regardless, it's a terrible edit. Don't use it.)

I will re-investigate shortly, and will post revised editing instructions.

Thanks, Jim!]]> Fri, 19 Feb 2016 13:33:37 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8495&PID=45038&title=white-lines-grandmaster-flash#45038 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8495&PID=45037&title=white-lines-grandmaster-flash#45037 Author: jimct
Subject: 8495
Posted: 19 February 2016 at 1:04pm

I have finally managed to locate my one-sided Sugar Hill 806 listed (4:05)
promo 45 - on vinyl, no less. (Surprising only because I recall all of my other
Sugar Hill 45s, be it promo or stock, was always pressed on styrene.)

It has an actual time of (4:06), with handwritten deadwax of "VID-6005-A",
followed by "TRUTONE-PA-10-83".

I have already shot out dubs of this to Aaron and Doug, and after just now
re-reading this thread, I will do the same later today for "also interested
parties" Ron and John. ]]> Fri, 19 Feb 2016 13:04:22 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8495&PID=45037&title=white-lines-grandmaster-flash#45037 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8495&PID=44997&title=white-lines-grandmaster-flash#44997 Author: eriejwg
Subject: 8495
Posted: 06 February 2016 at 5:23pm

Wow! 17 years ago, I was about 8 years away from
discovering this site and knew NOTHING about 45
versions, Promo Edits etc.]]> Sat, 06 Feb 2016 17:23:50 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8495&PID=44997&title=white-lines-grandmaster-flash#44997 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8495&PID=44996&title=white-lines-grandmaster-flash#44996 Author: crapfromthepast
Subject: 8495
Posted: 06 February 2016 at 4:47pm

Here are the editing instructions for creating (what I assume is) the promo 45 version from the 12 inch single version on Rhino's Hip Hop Greats (1990).

Segment 1
Extends from 0:00.0 to 0:12.3 of 12 inch single version and promo 45 edit
Begins with "fun baby"
Ends on third bass drum hit

Remove the 8 beats from 0:12.3 to 0:16.4 of the 12 inch single version.

Segment 2
Two beats long
Extends from 0:12.3 to 0:13.3 of the promo 45 edit
Extends from 0:16.4 to 0:17.5 of the 12 inch single version

Remove the 16 beats from 0:17.5 to 0:25.8 of the 12 inch single version.

Segment 3
48 beats long
Begins and ends on a downbeat
Extends from 0:13.3 to 0:38.4 of the promo 45 edit
Extends from 0:25.8 to 0:50.9 of the 12 inch single version

Remove the 16 beats from 0:50.9 to 0:59.2 of the 12 inch single version.

Segment 4
105 beats long
Begins on a downbeat
Ends on a snare
Extends from 0:38.4 to 1:33.1 of the promo 45 edit
Extends from 0:59.2 to 1:53.9 of the 12 inch single version

Remove the 16 beats from 1:53.9 to 2:02.2 of the 12 inch single version.

Segment 5
35 beats long
Begins on a snare
Ends on a downbeat
Extends from 1:33.1 to 1:51.3 of the promo 45 edit
Extends from 2:02.2 to 2:20.5 of the 12 inch single version

Remove the 8 beats from 2:20.5 to 2:24.7 of the 12 inch single version.

Segment 6
75 beats long
Begins on a downbeat
Ends on a snare
Extends from 1:51.3 to 2:30.3 of the promo 45 edit
Extends from 2:24.7 to 3:03.7 of the 12 inch single version

Remove the 8 beats from 3:03.7 to 3:07.9 of the 12 inch single version.

Segment 7
34 beats long
Begins on a snare
Ends on a snare
Extends from 2:30.3 to 2:48.1 of the promo 45 edit
Extends from 3:07.9 to 3:25.6 of the 12 inch single version

Remove the 16 beats from 3:25.6 to 3:34.0 of the 12 inch single version.

Segment 8
35 beats long
Begins on a snare
Ends on a downbeat
Extends from 2:48.1 to 3:06.4 of the promo 45 edit
Extends from 3:34.0 to 3:52.3 of the 12 inch single version

Remove the 8 beats from 3:52.3 to 3:56.4 of the 12 inch single version.

Segment 9
51 beats long
Begins on a downbeat
Ends on a snare
Extends from 3:06.4 to 3:33.0 of the promo 45 edit
Extends from 3:56.4 to 4:23.0 of the 12 inch single version

Remove the 22 beats from 4:23.0 to 4:34.5 of the 12 inch single version.

Segment 10
59 beats long
Begins on a snare
Ends on a downbeat
Extends from 3:33.0 to 4:03.6 of the promo 45 edit
Extends from 4:34.5 to 5:05.2 of the 12 inch single version

Fade
8 beats long
Begins and ends on a downbeat
Extends from 3:59.5 to 4:03.6 of the promo 45 edit
Extends from 5:01.1 to 5:05.2 of the 12 inch single version

I originally did this edit over 17 years ago (!), and I can't guarantee with 100% certainty that everything's correct. I do remember that I wasn't so good with fades back then, so the fade start and end points could be off a little.

If I may editorialize, I think this is a pretty badly-done edit. For most simple pop songs, like this one, I've learned that if you want your edit to keep the flow of the song, then take out 16 beats, or 32 beats, or some other multiple of 16 beats. Taking out 8 beats will sound goofy, which is why about half of these edits sound strange. The last edit,
which cuts out 22 beats and deliberately cuts out the "a business is caught with 24 kilos/he's out on bail and out of jail and that's the way it goes" lines, sounds especially jarring, to my ears.]]> Sat, 06 Feb 2016 16:47:21 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8495&PID=44996&title=white-lines-grandmaster-flash#44996 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8495&PID=44994&title=white-lines-grandmaster-flash#44994 Author: eriejwg
Subject: 8495
Posted: 06 February 2016 at 3:33pm

Any update on this?]]> Sat, 06 Feb 2016 15:33:59 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8495&PID=44994&title=white-lines-grandmaster-flash#44994 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8495&PID=44976&title=white-lines-grandmaster-flash#44976 Author: eriejwg
Subject: 8495
Posted: 04 February 2016 at 11:45pm

I'll be anxious to hear how to get to the proper 4:05
promo version as all I have is the 4:28 version too.]]> Thu, 04 Feb 2016 23:45:09 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8495&PID=44976&title=white-lines-grandmaster-flash#44976 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8495&PID=44975&title=white-lines-grandmaster-flash#44975 Author: sriv94
Subject: 8495
Posted: 04 February 2016 at 9:23pm

Thx to all of you. Haven't had the chance to get Jim's dub as of yet, but
I agree with him that the short promo starts with the vocal. Oddly
enough, WLS/Chicago was one station that did play the song (listing it
on its weekly survey with the notation that it was only available as a
12"). And my scant remembering of hearing the song starts with the
cold vocal instead of music.

I have an inquiry out to see if someone might have an unscoped
aircheck from WLS. Tim Brown (who posts here occasionally) might.
WLS played it between December 1983 and January/February 1984.]]> Thu, 04 Feb 2016 21:23:58 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8495&PID=44975&title=white-lines-grandmaster-flash#44975