https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ Copyright (c) 2006-2013 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Tue, 14 Apr 2026 23:21:30 +0000 Tue, 11 Aug 2015 18:49:00 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 12.07 360 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=860 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum//images/Top-40-Music-on-CD-Forum-Logo.png https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=860&PID=44119&title=kim-carnes-draw-of-the-cards#44119 Author: crapfromthepast
Subject: 860
Posted: 11 August 2015 at 6:49pm

I no longer have the 45 needledrop that I used in 2014 to come up with the edit points, so I can't say definitively.

My recreation from 2014 has a trill at 0:16, heading into a downbeat.

Thanks to Back2TheFuture, I can confirm that Best Now lacks the trill at 0:16. Best Now has its left and right channels swapped, compared to the 8-CD European set from Disky called More Greatest Hits Of The '80s (2000). Best Now also sounds like it uses a much higher-generation tape source than the Disky set.

The video that Gene posted also lacks the trill.

I think the only way to tell what's correct is with a true needledrop of the 45. Anyone out there with the 45?]]> Tue, 11 Aug 2015 18:49:00 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=860&PID=44119&title=kim-carnes-draw-of-the-cards#44119 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=860&PID=44116&title=kim-carnes-draw-of-the-cards#44116 Author: Back2TheFuture
Subject: 860
Posted: 11 August 2015 at 6:14am

There's a Japanese import CD called Kim Carnes "Best Now" (Catalog# TOCP-9135) that has a 4:05 version of "Draw of the Cards" on it. Does anyone know if this would be the correct 45 edit? If anyone wants a copy to compare, please feel free to PM me.

Edited by Back2TheFuture]]> Tue, 11 Aug 2015 06:14:12 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=860&PID=44116&title=kim-carnes-draw-of-the-cards#44116 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=860&PID=44099&title=kim-carnes-draw-of-the-cards#44099 Author: NightAire
Subject: 860
Posted: 09 August 2015 at 3:04pm

Question on the end of the 2nd segment: does the trill
stay
with that segment, and run to the keyboard note starting
the 3rd segment, do you edit before the trill, or do you
get a little of the ending note of the trill before you
jump to the 3rd segment?

I made the edit at the end of the trill right before it
lands on the final note, and it sounds OK, but I don't
know
what the 45 does there and I'd like to be accurate.

EDIT: Based on this video, it sounds like you edit before the trill.

Edited by NightAire]]> Sun, 09 Aug 2015 15:04:02 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=860&PID=44099&title=kim-carnes-draw-of-the-cards#44099 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=860&PID=40442&title=kim-carnes-draw-of-the-cards#40442 Author: crapfromthepast
Subject: 860
Posted: 04 February 2014 at 9:36am

AndrewChouffi wrote: I could be mistaken, but I would think the time signature of this cut would be 6/8 instead of waltz (3/4) time.

Andy - You're probably right. My formal musical training
petered out before I got comfortable with anything other
than 4/4.]]> Tue, 04 Feb 2014 09:36:11 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=860&PID=40442&title=kim-carnes-draw-of-the-cards#40442 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=860&PID=40441&title=kim-carnes-draw-of-the-cards#40441 Author: AndrewChouffi
Subject: 860
Posted: 04 February 2014 at 9:29am

To Crapfromthepast:

Creepy, but excellent record.

I could be mistaken, but I would think the time signature of this cut would be 6/8 instead of waltz (3/4) time.

(Only Dave Brubeck would've known for sure...)

Andy]]> Tue, 04 Feb 2014 09:29:09 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=860&PID=40441&title=kim-carnes-draw-of-the-cards#40441 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=860&PID=40439&title=kim-carnes-draw-of-the-cards#40439 Author: crapfromthepast
Subject: 860
Posted: 03 February 2014 at 9:37pm

This may the creepiest-sounding waltz ever to hit the charts! It seems to be in 3/4 time - count the beats as ONE-two-three ONE-two-three... It runs about 90.7 BPM throughout.

I like the song a lot, but I can certainly see how it baffled radio programmers in 1981, who expected another "Bette Davis Eyes".

The 45 is an edit of the LP version. If you want to replicate the edit, *don't* use the Crazy In The Night cheapie collection from 1990 as your source; it uses noise reduction and has all the life sucked out of it.

Much better is an 8-CD European set from Disky called More Greatest Hits Of The '80s (2000), which does not have any noise reduction. I recreated the 45 edit using this disc as the source. Here are editing instructions.

Segment 1:
6 beats long.
Extends from 0:00 to 0:04.4 of both the LP and 45 versions.

Remove the 12 beats from 0:04.4 to 0:12.4 of the LP version.

Segment 2:
18 beats long.
Extends from 0:04.4 to 0:16.3 of the 45 edit.
Extends from 0:12.4 to 0:24.3 of the LP version.

Remove the 12 beats from 0:24.3 to 0:32.2 of the LP version.

Segment 3:
144 beats long.
Extends from 0:16.3 to 1:51.5 of the 45 edit.
Extends from 0:32.2 to 2:07.3 of the LP version.

Remove the 18 beats from 2:07.3 to 2:19.2 of the LP version.

Segment 4:
201 beats long.
Begins with a snare hit that falls on a downbeat.
The transition between segments 3 and 4 sounds a little weird, but that's what's on the 45.
Extends from 1:51.5 to 4:04.7 of the 45 edit.
Extends from 2:19.2 to 4:32.4 of the LP version.

The fade of the LP version has a really long tail. The 45 shortens up the tail.

Add a 21-beat fade.
The fade extends from 3:50.7 to 4:04.7 of the 45 edit.
The fade extends from 4:18.5 to 4:32.4 of the LP version.

Your mixdown will run 4:04.7, with edits at 0:04.4, 0:16.3 and 1:51.5.]]> Mon, 03 Feb 2014 21:37:40 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=860&PID=40439&title=kim-carnes-draw-of-the-cards#40439 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=860&PID=34210&title=kim-carnes-draw-of-the-cards#34210 Author: Fetta
Subject: 860
Posted: 16 May 2012 at 4:07pm

Just picked up an Australian import CD called "Edge of the 80s: Movers and Shakers" put out by TIme Life. I guess these are their version of Sounds Of The 80s but the track listings are very different.

Anyhow, "Draw of The Cards" was one of the tracks and it clocks in at 4:05 and has the vocal starting at the :18 mark as Ed mentioned above. I don't have a 45 to compare it to but I am assuming it is the 45.

Just an FYI for those who are looking for this on a CD. Anyone interested in a copy, please ping me.

]]> Wed, 16 May 2012 16:07:05 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=860&PID=34210&title=kim-carnes-draw-of-the-cards#34210 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=860&PID=4548&title=kim-carnes-draw-of-the-cards#4548 Author: edtop40
Subject: 860
Posted: 25 April 2006 at 7:59am

i agree.....run time is 4:06]]> Tue, 25 Apr 2006 07:59:02 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=860&PID=4548&title=kim-carnes-draw-of-the-cards#4548 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=860&PID=4547&title=kim-carnes-draw-of-the-cards#4547 Author: sriv94
Subject: 860
Posted: 25 April 2006 at 7:10am

edtop40 wrote: another artist completed........nice edit on this one doug.......you guys are the best.....

Thanks, Ed. That was a cool tune to try to replicate (never got the airplay it deserved--although you try following up a 9-week number one single).

And my edit clocked in at (4:06)--although Ed's dub had about seven seconds of space at the beginning, so it ran (4:13) when he sent it to me.

Edited by sriv94]]> Tue, 25 Apr 2006 07:10:19 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=860&PID=4547&title=kim-carnes-draw-of-the-cards#4547 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=860&PID=4545&title=kim-carnes-draw-of-the-cards#4545 Author: Todd Ireland
Subject: 860
Posted: 25 April 2006 at 2:30am

Ed:

What is the actual run time of your "Draw of the Cards" 45? ]]> Tue, 25 Apr 2006 02:30:27 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=860&PID=4545&title=kim-carnes-draw-of-the-cards#4545