https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ Copyright (c) 2006-2013 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Fri, 08 May 2026 00:15:06 +0000 Wed, 12 Oct 2016 14:05:51 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 12.07 360 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=893 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum//images/Top-40-Music-on-CD-Forum-Logo.png https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=893&PID=46369&title=neil-diamond-1969-holly-holy#46369 Author: MMathews
Subject: 893
Posted: 12 October 2016 at 2:05pm

OH ... thanks for pointing that out David. My mistake was
I was comparing a copy of the "12 Greatest Hits" remix
that was sent to me rather than ripping my own CD. The
copy I got was edited to match the ending of the single.
No matter though since that remix version has little in
common with the hit version (avoid!) :-)

MM ]]> Wed, 12 Oct 2016 14:05:51 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=893&PID=46369&title=neil-diamond-1969-holly-holy#46369 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=893&PID=46368&title=neil-diamond-1969-holly-holy#46368 Author: davidclark
Subject: 893
Posted: 11 October 2016 at 8:54pm

MM,

On my copy of "12 Greatest Hits", the edit is not present - the alternate version
matches the LP (in terms of length). I bought it in 1987, pressed in Japan.]]> Tue, 11 Oct 2016 20:54:43 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=893&PID=46368&title=neil-diamond-1969-holly-holy#46368 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=893&PID=46361&title=neil-diamond-1969-holly-holy#46361 Author: MMathews
Subject: 893
Posted: 09 October 2016 at 7:26pm

As mentioned by Kent earlier, the 45 is a dedicated mono
mix and cannot be created from the LP version. As Jim
reported, some 45's ran (4:27) and some (4:30) and only
difference was the speed.

Aside form the Edit, there is an overdub in the mono that
is missing from the LP.

Then there is the remix on the first edition of the "12
Greatest Hits" CD. This remix is an alternate vocal take
starting at (1:36) and lasting all the way to (3:43),
when the correct vocal track is potted up just before the
last chorus. Ironically, the remix DOES contain the edit
near the end that the 45 mix does.

The stereo LP version is closest to the hit but note, the
LP version starts to fade before the 2nd point of the
edit, so to make the edit properly you'll need to
increase the levels there about 2.5db.

RE: The MONO mix...there are various differences
throughout but most notably the "tapping" rhythm effect
is louder on the 45. In the first chorus, a kick drum
appears that is absent from the LP version. Then at the
start of the final chorus, the kick drum comes back
louder, in fact it's the loudest thing in the mix at that
point - you can even see the higher peaks in the
waveform. Funny, it's not a clear drum, has sort of a
"thud" sound but this drum makes the choruses punchier. I
especially noticed that when playing it in the car.

MM

Edited by MMathews]]> Sun, 09 Oct 2016 19:26:27 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=893&PID=46361&title=neil-diamond-1969-holly-holy#46361 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=893&PID=40758&title=neil-diamond-1969-holly-holy#40758 Author: jimct
Subject: 893
Posted: 18 March 2014 at 11:58am

Ed, since I am the one that provided the actual (4:30) timing earlier in this
thread, I just re-pulled my stock 45. Turns out I own two copies. One is
on vinyl (which about 98% of all my UNI 45s were), and my other copy is
on styrene. Both are confirmed as UNI 55175. I've always considered my
vinyl 45 as my "primary" copy, however. After re-checking it, my original
(4:27 listed; 4:30 actual) timing details for it are correct. Deadwax is
simply "356 T15". My styrene stock copy has deadwax of "356 T11",
followed by "delta 78392, scratchout, X". This copy does have both a
listed and actual time of (4:27), matching Ed's, and is clearly sped up,
compared to my vinyl stock copy.

In cases like this, to "break the time tie", I then go to my promo copy.
Luckily, I do own one for "Holly Holy". However, my promo 45 copy is also
styrene - again, very unusual for UNI 45s in my collection. Both sides of it
do have both a listed and actual time of (4:27), however, and are also
sped up. Deadwaxes are different for each side. One promo side is "356-
T17" followed by "delta 78392-X", while the other promo side is "356-
T12" followed by "delta 78392-X. My four total 45 pressings each came
from a different stamper.

As always, Pat, it is up to you how you choose to reflect this info in your
db. However, I must comment that this is one of the very few times where
my ears much prefer the slower, actual (4:30) 45 length. That said, most
overall pressings do appear to run (4:27).

Nice catch, Ed!]]> Tue, 18 Mar 2014 11:58:02 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=893&PID=40758&title=neil-diamond-1969-holly-holy#40758 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=893&PID=40755&title=neil-diamond-1969-holly-holy#40755 Author: edtop40
Subject: 893
Posted: 18 March 2014 at 8:57am

my commercial 45 lists the run time on the label as 4:27
and does indeed run that length and and NOT 4:30 as listed
in the db......the run out groove info is 'delta, 78392-X']]> Tue, 18 Mar 2014 08:57:01 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=893&PID=40755&title=neil-diamond-1969-holly-holy#40755 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=893&PID=30067&title=neil-diamond-1969-holly-holy#30067 Author: KentT
Subject: 893
Posted: 04 May 2011 at 7:10pm

45 is a dedicated mono mix, nowhere on CD. 4:00 and a slightly different take. CD of 12 Greatest Hits originally was different from the LP of same which substituted studio recordings for the LP issue's live concert performances of some tracks (Direct Disk Labs first issued that tracklisting of the album as an Audiophile LP)]]> Wed, 04 May 2011 19:10:09 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=893&PID=30067&title=neil-diamond-1969-holly-holy#30067 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=893&PID=30057&title=neil-diamond-1969-holly-holy#30057 Author: Hykker
Subject: 893
Posted: 04 May 2011 at 5:33am

I have a TM-Century GoldDisc with this on it in which the song has been pitched waaaaay down. Not sure where this came from...I have the original album and it's not this draggy there. Maybe a mastering error on TM's part?]]> Wed, 04 May 2011 05:33:41 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=893&PID=30057&title=neil-diamond-1969-holly-holy#30057 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=893&PID=30056&title=neil-diamond-1969-holly-holy#30056 Author: davidclark
Subject: 893
Posted: 04 May 2011 at 4:19am

bumping up this thread, as the database does not yet reflect the versions
that are the original LP version vs. the "remix with vocal differences" (as
found on His 12 Greatest Hits).]]> Wed, 04 May 2011 04:19:22 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=893&PID=30056&title=neil-diamond-1969-holly-holy#30056 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=893&PID=16850&title=neil-diamond-1969-holly-holy#16850 Author: jimct
Subject: 893
Posted: 07 June 2008 at 12:51am

My commercial 45, which is mono, and confirmed as UNI 55175, has a listed time of (4:27), but an actual time of (4:30).]]> Sat, 07 Jun 2008 00:51:22 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=893&PID=16850&title=neil-diamond-1969-holly-holy#16850 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=893&PID=14652&title=neil-diamond-1969-holly-holy#14652 Author: eriejwg
Subject: 893
Posted: 22 February 2008 at 9:31pm

Well, I came up with a stereo edit matching the 45. Don't ask me how, LOL. Besides the edit, I pitched up the LP in a couple places...

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