https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ Copyright (c) 2006-2013 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Fri, 24 Apr 2026 17:37:10 +0000 Wed, 17 Jan 2007 12:47:00 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 12.07 360 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=914 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum//images/Top-40-Music-on-CD-Forum-Logo.png https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=914&PID=8565&title=elton-john-sad-songs#8565 Author: aaronk
Subject: 914
Posted: 17 January 2007 at 12:47pm

Thanks to Jim, I can confirm that the 45 and LP versions are the same mix. The 45 edits the intro in half and does an early fade for sure. I didn't check to see if there are any other edits in the middle.]]> Wed, 17 Jan 2007 12:47:00 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=914&PID=8565&title=elton-john-sad-songs#8565 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=914&PID=8561&title=elton-john-sad-songs#8561 Author: aaronk
Subject: 914
Posted: 16 January 2007 at 11:11pm

That's a very good question, Brian. Listening to the lo-fi audio samples on allmusic.com would make me guess "yes." Also, the 45 label says "Edit" underneath the time. All I can do is guess on this one, since I only have the 45 version on CD.]]> Tue, 16 Jan 2007 23:11:18 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=914&PID=8561&title=elton-john-sad-songs#8561 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=914&PID=8557&title=elton-john-sad-songs#8557 Author: Brian W.
Subject: 914
Posted: 16 January 2007 at 9:23pm

Okay, so one thing I still don't understand:

Is the 45 and Special Radio Mix the same MIX as the album version?]]> Tue, 16 Jan 2007 21:23:56 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=914&PID=8557&title=elton-john-sad-songs#8557 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=914&PID=8555&title=elton-john-sad-songs#8555 Author: JMD1961
Subject: 914
Posted: 16 January 2007 at 3:16pm

I'd just like to thank everyone for this one. It really answered a lot of questions I had about this particular song. ]]> Tue, 16 Jan 2007 15:16:15 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=914&PID=8555&title=elton-john-sad-songs#8555 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=914&PID=8550&title=elton-john-sad-songs#8550 Author: aaronk
Subject: 914
Posted: 16 January 2007 at 5:13am

You don't give yourself enough credit, Jim. Your information has been invaluable to many of us here on the message board, sir. Besides, everyone is entitled to one mistake. You just used yours. :)]]> Tue, 16 Jan 2007 05:13:00 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=914&PID=8550&title=elton-john-sad-songs#8550 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=914&PID=8549&title=elton-john-sad-songs#8549 Author: jimct
Subject: 914
Posted: 16 January 2007 at 2:20am

Aaron was kind enough to mp3 a few snippets of the various versions of this song. What sounds to me like "night and day" differences between the stock and "Special Radio Mix" ARE, in fact, 99% attributed to simply being sped up, as Aaron mentions above. I started this post as a "newbie" last May, before I realized that my ears can't tell the difference between a chirping bird and a tractor! I think I'll just stick with actual 45 timings and un-earthing unique DJ 45 edits, guys!   :) ]]> Tue, 16 Jan 2007 02:20:05 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=914&PID=8549&title=elton-john-sad-songs#8549 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=914&PID=8546&title=elton-john-sad-songs#8546 Author: Brian W.
Subject: 914
Posted: 15 January 2007 at 7:52pm

Thanks, Aaron. I completely trust your ears. I can now stop searching for this on CD.]]> Mon, 15 Jan 2007 19:52:57 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=914&PID=8546&title=elton-john-sad-songs#8546 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=914&PID=8544&title=elton-john-sad-songs#8544 Author: aaronk
Subject: 914
Posted: 15 January 2007 at 5:12pm

In defense of those who say the mix sounds different, both the commercial and DJ 45s are EQ'd slightly brighter than the CD version I have. The slightly brighter high end, coupled with a 2% pitch difference can certainly make the CD version sound "flat" or "dull."]]> Mon, 15 Jan 2007 17:12:27 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=914&PID=8544&title=elton-john-sad-songs#8544 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=914&PID=8543&title=elton-john-sad-songs#8543 Author: aaronk
Subject: 914
Posted: 15 January 2007 at 4:51pm

I just did a very careful analysis through headphones between the DJ and commercial 45 versions. The DJ "special radio mix" is pitched up 1.95%, when compared to the commercial 45 version.

(Also, on the DJ 45, they used a very, very slight amount of compression to make the song sound louder; however, it is so slight, I probably would not have noticed it if not for the headphones and being able to see the two waveforms on the screen.)

Other than that, there are no mix differences whatsoever between the two. For the record, the DJ 45 is exactly 110 BPM.

Edited by aaronk]]> Mon, 15 Jan 2007 16:51:07 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=914&PID=8543&title=elton-john-sad-songs#8543 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=914&PID=8491&title=elton-john-sad-songs#8491 Author: crapfromthepast
Subject: 914
Posted: 09 January 2007 at 9:38pm

For what it's worth, my version on The A-List is 107.0 BPM, my version on the Geffen Greatest Hits is 107.3 BPM, and my 45 version on Hits On CD Vol. 2 (Mercury [W. Germany] 822 843-2, 1984) is much faster at 109.1 BPM.

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