https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ Copyright (c) 2006-2013 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Sun, 12 Apr 2026 04:18:41 +0000 Sun, 09 Jun 2024 06:20:20 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 12.07 360 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=9591 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum//images/Top-40-Music-on-CD-Forum-Logo.png https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9591&PID=64831&title=jackson-5-i-want-you-back#64831 Author: AndrewChouffi
Subject: 9591
Posted: 09 June 2024 at 6:20am

Is it possible that the dryer "I Want You Back" is a fold-
down of the Quad 'Greatest Hits' album version (I believe
issued in Japan)?

If anyone has an opinion, please chime in.

Andy]]> Sun, 09 Jun 2024 06:20:20 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9591&PID=64831&title=jackson-5-i-want-you-back#64831 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9591&PID=64828&title=jackson-5-i-want-you-back#64828 Author: mjb50
Subject: 9591
Posted: 08 June 2024 at 5:00am

The database never got updated to mention the existence of the alternate mix. Is it on a to-do list?]]> Sat, 08 Jun 2024 05:00:56 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9591&PID=64828&title=jackson-5-i-want-you-back#64828 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9591&PID=58110&title=jackson-5-i-want-you-back#58110 Author: AndrewChouffi
Subject: 9591
Posted: 01 May 2021 at 9:02am

crapfromthepast wrote: Aaron correctly noted that the alternate mix appeared on Motown's Motown Year By Year 1969 (1995). I'm willing to bet that this alternate mix first appeared on that disc. If I remember correctly, one of the producers of that Motown series intentionally tried to use alternate versions whenever possible, just to get the versions out there and give the consumers something cool and different. You'll find a lot of previously unreleased stuff first appearing on the Motown Year By Year discs.

Yes, Ron, that producer was Al Quaglieri, who worked
with me on a couple of early Sundazed projects and
lived in my city of Albany, NY.

Andy

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Subject: 9591
Posted: 30 April 2021 at 7:20pm

Aaron correctly noted that the alternate mix appeared on Motown's Motown Year By Year 1969 (1995).

I'm willing to bet that this alternate mix first appeared on that disc.

If I remember correctly, one of the producers of that Motown series intentionally tried to use alternate versions whenever possible, just to get the versions out there and give the consumers something cool and different. You'll find a lot of previously unreleased stuff first appearing on the Motown Year By Year discs.

Edited by crapfromthepast]]> Fri, 30 Apr 2021 19:20:17 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9591&PID=58107&title=jackson-5-i-want-you-back#58107 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9591&PID=58104&title=jackson-5-i-want-you-back#58104 Author: AdvprosD
Subject: 9591
Posted: 30 April 2021 at 6:18pm

Thanks mjb50 for the enhancement to the descriptions. I have already in a short year learned a LOT from the great folks on this forum.

As a side note to the "dry vs wet", I remember first noticing the intro bass riff on the Ohio Players "For The Love Of Money." When it was played on
the radio I never noticed that every other rep was going wet then dry. It is an effect that I wish I hadn't found. It really bugs my mind to hear it.

And, of course thanks to you too Aaron!

Edited by AdvprosD]]> Fri, 30 Apr 2021 18:18:28 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9591&PID=58104&title=jackson-5-i-want-you-back#58104 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9591&PID=58100&title=jackson-5-i-want-you-back#58100 Author: mjb50
Subject: 9591
Posted: 30 April 2021 at 10:31am

Yeah. What seems to be happening on various reissues is that there will be multiple master tapes or already digitized
recordings to choose from, and they're not very well labeled as to what they actually are. Someone probably listened to the
dry mix and thought it sounded a lot "clearer" and didn't realize it was actually a rough mix, not just a better copy of
the final version. Then it got marked as the best copy to use for future projects.

Edited by mjb50]]> Fri, 30 Apr 2021 10:31:03 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9591&PID=58100&title=jackson-5-i-want-you-back#58100 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9591&PID=58098&title=jackson-5-i-want-you-back#58098 Author: aaronk
Subject: 9591
Posted: 30 April 2021 at 9:36am

Yes, correct. I probably should have said "to point out where a couple of differences are..." I just wanted to give people an example of what to listen for when comparing the mixes.

That should be a crime to shave off the bass on one of the most iconic bass guitar lines in any pop song.]]> Fri, 30 Apr 2021 09:36:41 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9591&PID=58098&title=jackson-5-i-want-you-back#58098 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9591&PID=58097&title=jackson-5-i-want-you-back#58097 Author: mjb50
Subject: 9591
Posted: 30 April 2021 at 9:02am

Dry/wet is more generally in reference to any effects added at the mixing stage aside from simple panning and EQ. So it's not just reverb (echo), although that's definitely the main
category of effects people are usually talking about. A dry mix has little to no effects, a wet mix is drenched in them.

To get more specific:

Indeed the intro to the dry mix of "I Want You Back" has no reverb on the opening guitar. Also, the handclaps are panned center instead of left. This center-panning of the claps
makes it very easy to hear them throughout the song, whereas in the standard mix, they're often drowned out by the other instruments on the left.

The panning of the backing vocals affects all of them throughout the song, not just at 0:53. For example, at 0:25 there's the "uh-huh-huh"/"ooo-hoo" chorus as Michael's just getting
warmed up.

Likewise, the reverb issue affects more of the song than just the intro. For example, the dry mix is missing that 'verb at 1:17, at the end of the "na-na-na-na" vocal.

In the breakdown at 2:02 you can plainly hear Michael's "a-boo-buh-bum-bum" is panned left and wet on the standard version, and panned right and dry on the dry version.

I updated my original post to also mention that in the dry mix, there's no content below 60 Hz either. So every time the bassist plays the lowest couple of notes throughout the song,
you're only hearing the harmonics.

Edited by mjb50]]> Fri, 30 Apr 2021 09:02:25 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9591&PID=58097&title=jackson-5-i-want-you-back#58097 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9591&PID=58096&title=jackson-5-i-want-you-back#58096 Author: aaronk
Subject: 9591
Posted: 29 April 2021 at 5:18pm

Exactly right, Dave. When people say "dry," they mean there's little or no reverb.]]> Thu, 29 Apr 2021 17:18:15 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9591&PID=58096&title=jackson-5-i-want-you-back#58096 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9591&PID=58095&title=jackson-5-i-want-you-back#58095 Author: AdvprosD
Subject: 9591
Posted: 29 April 2021 at 4:14pm

There's something I've read from time to time on this forum... Can you explain what a "Dry" mix is essentially?

My first guess would be that it has no reverb incorporated in the recording. AM and FM pop stations here were always heavy on the reverb. So much,
that they even added more to the whole day's broadcast. News and everything.]]> Thu, 29 Apr 2021 16:14:25 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9591&PID=58095&title=jackson-5-i-want-you-back#58095