https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ Copyright (c) 2006-2013 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Mon, 04 May 2026 23:00:07 +0000 Wed, 30 Jun 2021 03:37:38 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 12.07 360 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=9617 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum//images/Top-40-Music-on-CD-Forum-Logo.png https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9617&PID=58505&title=billboard-cd-singles-vs-maxisingles#58505 Author: Paul Haney
Subject: 9617
Posted: 30 June 2021 at 3:37am

I forgot that the "Dynamite" B-side was an instrumental version of "Tell Me...". Thanks for the reminder(s)! I edited my
previous post accordingly.

There are other examples like this over the years. That's why I felt it was important to get the Radio & Records book
done a few years ago.

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Subject: 9617
Posted: 30 June 2021 at 2:00am

thecdguy wrote: But what exactly were Billboard's rules for being able to chart on the Hot 100 at the time? Wasn't their policy that a song had to be commercially available in some configuration as a single? If so, ITG would've fit the bill since it was on a commercially available 12" Single, and by then at least a few other songs had charted with only being available as a 12" single. Is it because it was on the B-Side of the single that made it ineligible? Also, why would it be able to make the R&B chart if it had the same rules as the Hot 100?

The Billboard How We Track The Hits supplement is circa 1987 and kinda explains the policy but doesn't answer the question. Any type of single (7", 12", CS or CMS, at the time) was eligible, although there were also minimum airplay requirements. I'm as mystified as you.

Edited by mjb50]]> Wed, 30 Jun 2021 02:00:06 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9617&PID=58504&title=billboard-cd-singles-vs-maxisingles#58504 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9617&PID=58500&title=billboard-cd-singles-vs-maxisingles#58500 Author: Underground Dub
Subject: 9617
Posted: 29 June 2021 at 12:44pm

"Tell Me I'm Not Dreamin' (Too Good To Be True)" was used as a B-side three times during 1984.

The vocal version was issued as the B-side of Jermaine Jackson's single "Do What You Do" and "Take Good Care Of My Heart (duet with Whitney Houston)", both around October of 1984.

The instrumental version preceded both, issued as the B-side of Jermaine Jackson's single "Dynamite" around July of 1984.
]]> Tue, 29 Jun 2021 12:44:22 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9617&PID=58500&title=billboard-cd-singles-vs-maxisingles#58500 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9617&PID=58498&title=billboard-cd-singles-vs-maxisingles#58498 Author: thecdguy
Subject: 9617
Posted: 29 June 2021 at 9:31am

I just checked Discogs, and all the vinyl 45 listings for
the commercial US 45 of "Dynamite" list the Instrumental
Version of "Tell Me I'm Not Dreamin'" as the B-Side. ]]> Tue, 29 Jun 2021 09:31:09 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9617&PID=58498&title=billboard-cd-singles-vs-maxisingles#58498 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9617&PID=58497&title=billboard-cd-singles-vs-maxisingles#58497 Author: AndrewChouffi
Subject: 9617
Posted: 29 June 2021 at 8:40am

Thanks for the information Paul; I was hoping Record
Research had an extra few months of unpublished
charts...

Could you double-check something for me? I thought
that "Dynamite" included only the instrumental version
of "Tell Me I'm Not Dreamin'" on the flip. It was
labeled that way on the picture sleeve. I know that it
was labeled on earlier Record Research Top Pop
books, but it no longer is. I only own the promo 7' so
I can't check.

Andy



]]> Tue, 29 Jun 2021 08:40:21 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9617&PID=58497&title=billboard-cd-singles-vs-maxisingles#58497 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9617&PID=58494&title=billboard-cd-singles-vs-maxisingles#58494 Author: Paul Haney
Subject: 9617
Posted: 29 June 2021 at 3:42am

Billboard wasn't allowing 12-inch only singles on the Hot 100 at the time (though there may have been some exceptions,
especially in the late 1970s and early 1980s). However, they were allowed on the R&B chart. Add to the fact that Sire
records may not have wanted Into The Groove to compete with Angel and I can see why they didn't allow Into The Groove onto
the Hot 100 (though I think they probably should have). A similar situation occurred in 1984 with "Tell Me I'm Not
Dreamin'" by Jermaine & Michael Jackson. [EDIT] - An instrumental version of the song appeared as the B-side of the 45 of
"Dynamite", but by that time the Top 40 airplay on the vocal version was waning. "Dreamin'" did hit #6 on R&R's CHR chart.

Yes, Billboard started publishing the Hot 100 component (sales & airplay) charts on 10/20/84. Since the Hot 100 was always
some combination of sales & airplay, we can assume that those component charts were "in-house" only for several years prior
to October 1984. But, because they were never published, we'll never get to see them (sigh).

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Subject: 9617
Posted: 28 June 2021 at 6:54am

To Paul:

When was the first Hot 100 Airplay compiled? My
classic Top Pop 1955-2002 states it was published
starting 10/20/84 but I was wondering if Billboard had
been compiling it prior to that date for internal use.

Also, were there any other airplay-only type charts
(other than AC & Hot 100 Airplay) that Billboard had
in the 70s & 80s?

Andy
]]> Mon, 28 Jun 2021 06:54:42 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9617&PID=58484&title=billboard-cd-singles-vs-maxisingles#58484 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9617&PID=58483&title=billboard-cd-singles-vs-maxisingles#58483 Author: thecdguy
Subject: 9617
Posted: 28 June 2021 at 5:34am

Thanks Paul, I didn't know that it was ineligible for the Airplay chart as well. But what exactly were Billboard's rules for being able to chart on the
Hot 100 at the time? Wasn't their policy that a song had to be commercially available in some configuration as a single? If so, ITG would've fit the
bill since it was on a commercially available 12" Single, and by then at least a few other songs had charted with only being available as a 12" single.
Is it because it was on the B-Side of the single that made it ineligible? Also, why would it be able to make the R&B chart if it had the same rules as
the Hot 100?

I also checked Wikipedia about the song. Basically it said that it wasn't released as a single because the label didn't want another movie song
competing with a song ("Angel") from her then-current album the way "Material Girl" and "Crazy For You" did a few months previous. (Considering that the
songs peaked at #2 and #1 respectively and were in the Top 10 simultaneously, I can't imagine why that would've been a cause for concern). I think that
was a big mistake on their part, as Madonna was so hot at the time that she probably would've been able to pull off having another song from her album
and another movie song in the Top 10 simultaneously. ]]> Mon, 28 Jun 2021 05:34:29 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9617&PID=58483&title=billboard-cd-singles-vs-maxisingles#58483 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9617&PID=58481&title=billboard-cd-singles-vs-maxisingles#58481 Author: Paul Haney
Subject: 9617
Posted: 28 June 2021 at 3:37am

Dan, because it didn't qualify for the Hot 100, Billboard
didn't even allow "Into The Groove" on to their Top 40
Airplay chart at the time. If they had, it surely
would've charted fairly high. By the time that Bon Jovi
song came along, they had obviously changed their policy.]]> Mon, 28 Jun 2021 03:37:04 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9617&PID=58481&title=billboard-cd-singles-vs-maxisingles#58481 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9617&PID=58476&title=billboard-cd-singles-vs-maxisingles#58476 Author: AndrewChouffi
Subject: 9617
Posted: 27 June 2021 at 12:48pm

Well, Dan, I don't know its peak on
Billboard's Airplay chart because I'm on
the road, but it did get to #6 on R&R's
CHR Airplay chart.

Andy]]> Sun, 27 Jun 2021 12:48:16 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9617&PID=58476&title=billboard-cd-singles-vs-maxisingles#58476