https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ Copyright (c) 2006-2013 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Mon, 04 May 2026 00:26:21 +0000 Thu, 02 Mar 2023 05:44:58 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 12.07 360 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=9915 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum//images/Top-40-Music-on-CD-Forum-Logo.png https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9915&PID=62628&title=little-eva-the-locomotion#62628 Author: Hykker
Subject: 9915
Posted: 02 March 2023 at 5:44am

Curiously Paul, how long is the LP version without the claps? I have the no handclaps version on an 80s vintage VA comp that runs ~:10 longer
than the 45...times out to 2:24.]]> Thu, 02 Mar 2023 05:44:58 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9915&PID=62628&title=little-eva-the-locomotion#62628 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9915&PID=62625&title=little-eva-the-locomotion#62625 Author: TallPaulInKy
Subject: 9915
Posted: 01 March 2023 at 9:29am

There is a television documentary with Don Kirshner
saying when Goffin and King presented him with the demo
he felt it sounded like a hit, so they overdubbed some
handclaps for the single release. So the handclap version
is the hit version. Some pressing plants may have pulled
the album version (without the handclaps) and pressed
some by mistake. It's a minor difference. To me the
handclap versions is more exciting but the without
version always sounded cleaner (on my original LP
pressing). The whole Locomotion album is great and was
issued in true two track stereo (except for two songs).
Too bad Little Eva never got quality material later. The
album is basically a collection of Goffin and Kings
greatest hits up to that point. The stereo album (to my
nowledge) has never been issued digitally in stereo. ]]> Wed, 01 Mar 2023 09:29:35 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9915&PID=62625&title=little-eva-the-locomotion#62625 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9915&PID=62578&title=little-eva-the-locomotion#62578 Author: crapfromthepast
Subject: 9915
Posted: 24 February 2023 at 9:13am

I think the handclap version may include more polishing than just adding the handclaps.

I think I hear some doubling-up of the lead vocals in portions of the handclap version (easiest to hear on the word "now" at 0:19). On the no-handclaps version, it's just one vocal line all the way through.

I, too, believe that the no-handclaps version was sent by mistake to pressing plants. (Not based on any hard evidence, though.) Both versions sound roughly the same for the first few seconds of the song.

I can believe that Carole King played drums. There are some odd cymbal hits where there usually would be crash cymbals. The timing is off on those cymbal hits, which tells me that they were dubbed in later, likely by someone who doesn't regularly play drums. To me, it just adds to the charm of the record. It wouldn't be as much fun if it were a polished Wrecking Crew production.]]> Fri, 24 Feb 2023 09:13:44 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9915&PID=62578&title=little-eva-the-locomotion#62578 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9915&PID=62577&title=little-eva-the-locomotion#62577 Author: Paul C
Subject: 9915
Posted: 24 February 2023 at 8:31am

When Gerry Goffin and Carole King entered the studio with
Eva Boyd to record "The Locomotion", their only intent
was to make a demo. Thinking that the song might be a
worthwhile follow-up to Dee Dee Sharp's "Mashed Potato
Time", they sent the demo to Sharp's producers, but they
turned it down. Don Kirshner, co-founder of the
publishing company to which Goffin and King were signed,
had been planning to launch his own label and decided to
issue Eva's demo as the first release on Dimension
records.

I have always assumed, but have never been able to find
any proof, that the handclaps were overdubbed onto the
demo before it was released and that because copies had
to be pressed so quickly after the song took off, one or
more pressing plants were accidentally sent a tape of the
demo without the handclaps.

Carole King did all the arrangements, is one of the
background singers, and according to some versions of the
story even plays drums on the recording, but only her
husband is credited as producer.

Carole King's "It Might As Well Rain Until September" was
also intended to be just a demo, and The Chiffons' "One
Fine Day" is little more than Carole's demo with her
vocals erased and replaced by those of The Chiffons.]]> Fri, 24 Feb 2023 08:31:33 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9915&PID=62577&title=little-eva-the-locomotion#62577 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9915&PID=62575&title=little-eva-the-locomotion#62575 Author: TomDiehl1
Subject: 9915
Posted: 23 February 2023 at 4:52pm

20+ years ago, I used to hear a version on
an oldies station out of Washington D.C.
that ended cold, rather than fading out. I
can't recall if it had handclaps or not but
I'm leaning towards not. It lasted quite a
bit longer than any other version I'd ever
heard, and I've never successfully found it
anywhere in the digital world.

Anyone got any leads?]]> Thu, 23 Feb 2023 16:52:20 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9915&PID=62575&title=little-eva-the-locomotion#62575 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9915&PID=62571&title=little-eva-the-locomotion#62571 Author: eriejwg
Subject: 9915
Posted: 22 February 2023 at 5:51pm

On YouTube, The45Prof has the handclaps version timing out
to 2:20 which is the time of the 45/LP version in the
database.]]> Wed, 22 Feb 2023 17:51:25 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9915&PID=62571&title=little-eva-the-locomotion#62571 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9915&PID=62570&title=little-eva-the-locomotion#62570 Author: Hykker
Subject: 9915
Posted: 22 February 2023 at 1:44pm

I have both versions on 45. Both are Dimension 1000, listed time on both is 2:12.

The "no handclaps" one is vinyl with a paper label, matrix # 5971-1B. Actual 2:16 and is gone just after "you're looking
good". It's a smooth
fade. It also runs slightly faster than the handclap 45, though the difference at the fade is less than a second.

The "handclaps" one is styrene with the label printed directly on the plastic, matrix 5971. There is also some illegible
gibberish and "TW"
etched in the deadwax. Actual time 2:19, the fade is smooth to 2:19 then abruptly dumps. "You're lookin' good" clearly
audible.

Clearly they are from different pressing plants, maybe different masters got sent to different plants? I was 11 in the summer
of '62, and while I was just getting into music wasn't (yet) at the point of picking up on different versions/mixes.

Edited by Hykker]]> Wed, 22 Feb 2023 13:44:39 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9915&PID=62570&title=little-eva-the-locomotion#62570 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9915&PID=62567&title=little-eva-the-locomotion#62567 Author: crapfromthepast
Subject: 9915
Posted: 21 February 2023 at 9:56pm

There were 45s with handclaps, and 45s without handclaps.
I don't know which came first or which is considered to be the hit.

Mono, no handclaps version

The oldest version I have is Time-Life's Rock 'N' Roll Era Vol. 2 1962 original release (1987). It runs 2:18 here, and sounds very muddy. The same analog transfer is used on:

• Sessions/Warner Special Products' 2-CD Night Beat (1988) - differently EQ'd digital clone
• JCI's Only Rock 'N Roll 1960-1964 (1994)

There's a new and infinitely better analog transfer on Rhino's Best Of The Girl Groups Vol. 2 (1990). It runs 2:24 here.

Even better still is a version on Time-Life's 2-CD Glory Days Of Rock 'N' Roll Vol. 15 Dance Party (2001), where it runs out to 2:25. It's not just the tail of the fade that's longer; the fade starts later than any of the above CDs. There's a digitally identical clone on:

• Time-Life's 2-CD Rock And Roll The Legendary Years 1961-1964 (2004)

I recommend Time-Life's 2-CD Glory Days Of Rock 'N' Roll Vol. 15 Dance Party (2001) for this version.

Mono, handclaps version

The oldest version I have is Rhino's Billboard Top R&R Hits 1962 (1988). It runs 2:27 here. It sounds quite nice here except for a big dropout at 0:15. There's a digitally identical clone on the 1993 rerelease of this disc.

Fortunately, there's a different analog transfer on Time-Life's 25 Years Of #1 Hits (1991). It also runs 2:27, also sounds quite nice, and lacks the dropout at 0:15. The same analog transfer is used on:

• Time-Life's 2-CD Rock Party (1990; must have used the same source as 25 Years) - levels way too low, and fade is about 8 beats shorter
• Time-Life's Rhythm And Blues Vol. 11 1962 (1991) - fade is about 12 beats shorter
• Time-Life's Solid Gold Soul Vol. 18 1962 (1991) - is a repackaged version of R&B Vol. 11; fade is about 12 beats shorter
• Time-Life's Rock 'N' Roll Era Vol. 2 1962 RE-2 reissue (1992) - digital clone
• Time-Life's History Of Rock 'N' Roll Vol. 8 Sound Of The City 1959-1965 (1993) - not a digital clone

Finally, there's a new analog transfer on Rhino's Millennium Sixties Rock Party (1999). It runs 2:25 here, but ends at the same point in the song as Billboard and 25 Years; the difference in timing is because it runs about 2.0% faster than 25 Years. The Billboard disc runs between these two in speed. There's a digital clone on:

• Rhino's Girl Group Greats (2001)

Both 25 Years and Millennium sound nice, and both run out to the end of the track without fading early. If I had to pick one, I'd go with Rhino's Millennium Sixties Rock Party (1999), because it's closest in speed to the Glory Days CD from above (it's just a teeny bit slower instead of a whole lot slower).]]> Tue, 21 Feb 2023 21:56:43 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9915&PID=62567&title=little-eva-the-locomotion#62567