https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ Copyright (c) 2006-2013 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Sun, 03 May 2026 14:13:06 +0000 Sat, 25 Nov 2023 02:22:47 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 12.07 360 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=9918 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum//images/Top-40-Music-on-CD-Forum-Logo.png https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9918&PID=64055&title=raspberries-go-all-the-way#64055 Author: EdisonLite
Subject: 9918
Posted: 25 November 2023 at 2:22am

He did a nice job!
]]> Sat, 25 Nov 2023 02:22:47 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9918&PID=64055&title=raspberries-go-all-the-way#64055 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9918&PID=64042&title=raspberries-go-all-the-way#64042 Author: C J Brown
Subject: 9918
Posted: 21 November 2023 at 5:18pm

Wow. How soon can we hear "I Wanna Be With You"? ? ]]> Tue, 21 Nov 2023 17:18:15 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9918&PID=64042&title=raspberries-go-all-the-way#64042 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9918&PID=64040&title=raspberries-go-all-the-way#64040 Author: MMathews
Subject: 9918
Posted: 20 November 2023 at 10:22pm

Ron Furmanek produced the Capitol Collector's Series and
he was in those vaults. And trust me, if there were any
multi-tracks to find, he surely looked and didn't find
anything. I can bet money he looked, and looked hard. I
know him well.

Now, as per the discussion about the poor stereo mix.
Some folks may enjoy this digitally extracted remix for
"Go All The Way" ... my friend Bob Zwolinski made this
remix:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oa1ZUDtT4fc

It is wider stereo but a more stable and uniform mix.
The wandering vocals are fixed and are easier to hear.
Drums and guitars are separated left/right.
Enjoy!

-Mark M


Edited by MMathews]]> Mon, 20 Nov 2023 22:22:24 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9918&PID=64040&title=raspberries-go-all-the-way#64040 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9918&PID=62689&title=raspberries-go-all-the-way#62689 Author: Santi Paradoa
Subject: 9918
Posted: 11 March 2023 at 4:00pm

I'm no expert on where the Raspberries' tapes were stored or kept, but once CD reissues started to happen (late 80s/early 90s) there had to be several opportunities to use those tapes to create new and improved stereo mixes for those early mixes that
were virtually mono. If the tapes were later lost, stolen, burned, thrown out, etc. then yes there is no way to make that happen any longer (plus is there anyone else left that would care and/or want to purchase those new remixes besides the few
collectors like us). If there was an opportunity decades ago to use those tapes it just never happened. It may very well be that Jimmy, Eric or someone else did not want to change history even if it meant improving the sound of the song(s). We may
never know if they had approval or veto power over a possible stereo remix for the song(s) as the CD reissues got released decades ago. ]]> Sat, 11 Mar 2023 16:00:54 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9918&PID=62689&title=raspberries-go-all-the-way#62689 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9918&PID=62677&title=raspberries-go-all-the-way#62677 Author: EdisonLite
Subject: 9918
Posted: 11 March 2023 at 2:37pm

I tried widening the stereo image, too, and got the same results as you. But I
never heard about the master tapes being lost. They wouldn't have been in the
Universal fire of 2007-ish, because EMI/Capitol hadn't yet been bought by
Universal at the time of the fire. And Raspberries were on Capitol.

Also, I knew about Go All the Way being virtually mono, but I didn't realize that
about I Wanna Be With You. Is that really the case, and is the LP version any
wider?]]> Sat, 11 Mar 2023 14:37:02 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9918&PID=62677&title=raspberries-go-all-the-way#62677 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9918&PID=62644&title=raspberries-go-all-the-way#62644 Author: VWestlife
Subject: 9918
Posted: 05 March 2023 at 9:03pm

I can't find it anymore, but there was an article about how when the band first recorded the song, they didn't think it was usable because the drumming was too wimpy-sounding. But then they ran it through a very aggressive limiter, which they called the "Oscar Mayer" limiter, because any audio put through it had its dynamics squashed as flat as a slice of bologna. When they did, it suddenly sounded like a hit to them -- and it was.

The only part of the song that is actually true stereo are the vocal ad-libs during the intro, which may have been dubbed in later. The rest of the song is mono with a bit of stereo reverb added, and run through that Oscar Mayer limiter with slightly different time constants on the left and right channels, causing the balance to wander side to side.

I've tried widening the stereo image, but instead of revealing any true separation between the channels, it just makes the balance wandering even worse.
]]> Sun, 05 Mar 2023 21:03:45 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9918&PID=62644&title=raspberries-go-all-the-way#62644 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9918&PID=62623&title=raspberries-go-all-the-way#62623 Author: C J Brown
Subject: 9918
Posted: 28 February 2023 at 7:15pm

CKLW demonstrated what John Gallagher mentions above many
times during the hit run.]]> Tue, 28 Feb 2023 19:15:14 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9918&PID=62623&title=raspberries-go-all-the-way#62623 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9918&PID=62622&title=raspberries-go-all-the-way#62622 Author: eriejwg
Subject: 9918
Posted: 28 February 2023 at 1:43pm

After a top of the hour ID, this song certainly jumped out
of the radio.]]> Tue, 28 Feb 2023 13:43:21 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9918&PID=62622&title=raspberries-go-all-the-way#62622 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9918&PID=62621&title=raspberries-go-all-the-way#62621 Author: crapfromthepast
Subject: 9918
Posted: 28 February 2023 at 11:42am

What does an overdose of analog compression/limiting sound like? It sounds like "Go All The Way" by the Raspberries. I love it! It wouldn't have been a hit if it was mixed like Steely Dan. The song was also mixed in extremely narrow stereo, much like the Creedence Clearwater Revival records.

The mastering history is straightforward here.

The song turned up first (?) on JCI's Rockin' Seventies (1988). It sounds fine here.

There's a different analog transfer on Time-Life's Sounds Of The Seventies Vol. 3 1972 (1989). I prefer this over the JCI, because it has a teeny bit more high end in the EQ. The same analog transfer is used on:

• Rhino's Poptopia! The '70s (1997) - digitally identical
• Time-Life's AM Gold Vol. 28 Teen Idols Of The '70s (1999) - differently EQ'd digital clone

The Raspberries 3" CD on Rhino and Razor & Tie's 2-CD Suddenly '70s (1997) seem to use different analog transfers of the same source tape as Sounds Of The Seventies Vol. 3 1972.

There's a new analog transfer on the Raspberries collection Capitol Collectors Series (1991). It sounds just fine here, too, with just a little less high end than the Time-Life mastering. The same analog transfer is used on:

• Time-Life's Guitar Rock Vol. 11 The Early '70s (1994) - digitally exactly 0.6 dB louder
• Raspberries Greatest Hits (1995) - digitally identical
• Priority's I Love Rock And Roll Vol. 3 Hits Of The 70's (1996) - digitally exactly 2.14 dB quieter
• Time-Life's 2-CD Seventies Music Explosion Vol. 4 Magic (2005) - digitally exactly 0.39 dB quieter

Realistically, there's not a lot of difference between Sounds Of The Seventies Vol. 3 1972 (mastered by Ken Perry, project overseen by Bill Inglot) and Capitol Collectors Series (mastered by Kevin Reeves). I chose Capitol Collectors Series (1991) for my collection, but either one would work just fine.]]> Tue, 28 Feb 2023 11:42:47 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9918&PID=62621&title=raspberries-go-all-the-way#62621 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9918&PID=62620&title=raspberries-go-all-the-way#62620 Author: PopArchivist
Subject: 9918
Posted: 28 February 2023 at 9:54am

AdvprosD wrote: Which ERIC release is it on? Some of the HTFHOCD series has been remastered. Maybe a cleaner copy since the issue you have?

Eric Carmen, not Eric records.]]> Tue, 28 Feb 2023 09:54:58 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9918&PID=62620&title=raspberries-go-all-the-way#62620