https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ Copyright (c) 2006-2013 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Wed, 15 Apr 2026 16:07:54 +0000 Thu, 30 Oct 2008 21:10:05 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 12.07 360 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=999 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum//images/Top-40-Music-on-CD-Forum-Logo.png https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/ https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=999&PID=19571&title=indiana-wants-me#19571 Author: edtop40
Subject: 999
Posted: 30 October 2008 at 9:10pm

my commercial 45 which has a different pressing font than yah shure's...


]]> Thu, 30 Oct 2008 21:10:05 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=999&PID=19571&title=indiana-wants-me#19571 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=999&PID=19562&title=indiana-wants-me#19562 Author: sriv94
Subject: 999
Posted: 30 October 2008 at 8:37am

Hykker wrote: sriv94 wrote: Just FYI, WLS went to all carts somewhere around 1970 or 1971 (ABC reached an accord with I believe NABET to allow DJs to run their own boards and use carts for music instead of having a record turner cueing the records in studio). I'm not sure if CKLW ever went to cart or not--I seem to recall seeing a photo from the early 1980s in which multiple turntables were visible in the studio. Maybe in Chicago, but I don't think all ABC stations implemented this. I've seen late-70s photos of WABC, and it appears that they still used used board-ops. Speaking of WABC & carts, didn't they start playing music from carts in the mid-60s? While he wasn't specific on dates, this was implied in Rick Sklar's book Rockin' America.

Could be on WABC--I'm not sure.

I'm going by Clark Weber's book Rock And Roll Radio: The Fun Years (1955-1975), in which there were numerous photos of WLS' air studio circa 1967 in which turntables with records on them were in full view. Weber told me at a book signing recently that carts weren't put into use for music until around 1970 primarily because of union rules--and there is a brief blurb in the book about it but it's somewhat clumsily written. (Although Weber had left WLS by 1968.)

Edited by sriv94]]> Thu, 30 Oct 2008 08:37:55 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=999&PID=19562&title=indiana-wants-me#19562 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=999&PID=19561&title=indiana-wants-me#19561 Author: Yah Shure
Subject: 999
Posted: 30 October 2008 at 8:05am

sriv94 wrote: When record labels issued copies to radio stations who actually played the vinyl (or even used it for carting), did they generally service only one copy and if a record became unplayable for whatever reason it was incumbent on the station to request additional copies? Or did they service multiple copies, just in case?

A station's reporting status and/or its ability to sell records largely determined the level of record service it received. Small market stations which developed reputations for breaking records were also well-serviced in the days before tier reporting took hold.

In a case like "Indiana Wants Me", important stations received copies both directly from Motown and from independent distributors. This sometimes resulted in a given station receiving multiple promo copies from different pressing plants.

When I worked at Heilicher Brothers in Minneapolis during the mid-'70s, we typically were not sent enough promo 45s to service all of the format-applicable radio stations within our large geographical region. The pecking order was the reporters, first, the secondary, non-reporting stations last.

The problem was that the secondary stations weren't already getting copies directly from Motown, so if the allotted copies ran about before their turn, they went without product (or relied on RSI or local sources) while the bigger stations ended up with multiple copies. But to the labels and the distributors, selling records was the ultimate purpose of the promo 45s, so they were sent to where they were most likely to make the most sales, or to get the crucial adds on radio. It didn't matter whether or not the stations played vinyl or carts on the air; ensuring that the important stations had the records was what mattered.

The worst all-time offender that I recall was Linda Ronstadt's "(She's A) Very Lovely Woman" Capitol 45 (#70, 1971.) Even the few stations I heard it on were stuck with crackle-infested copies. I've often wondered whether or not the record's chart fate may have been hindered due to its extremely poor pressing quality.

Edited by Yah Shure]]> Thu, 30 Oct 2008 08:05:05 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=999&PID=19561&title=indiana-wants-me#19561 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=999&PID=19560&title=indiana-wants-me#19560 Author: Hykker
Subject: 999
Posted: 30 October 2008 at 6:00am

sriv94 wrote: Just FYI, WLS went to all carts somewhere around 1970 or 1971 (ABC reached an accord with I believe NABET to allow DJs to run their own boards and use carts for music instead of having a record turner cueing the records in studio). I'm not sure if CKLW ever went to cart or not--I seem to recall seeing a photo from the early 1980s in which multiple turntables were visible in the studio.

Maybe in Chicago, but I don't think all ABC stations implemented this. I've seen late-70s photos of WABC, and it appears that they still used used board-ops. Speaking of WABC & carts, didn't they start playing music from carts in the mid-60s? While he wasn't specific on dates, this was implied in Rick Sklar's book Rockin' America.

]]> Thu, 30 Oct 2008 06:00:26 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=999&PID=19560&title=indiana-wants-me#19560 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=999&PID=19557&title=indiana-wants-me#19557 Author: sriv94
Subject: 999
Posted: 29 October 2008 at 6:01pm

eriejwg wrote: To add to my post, usually the jocks in smaller markets played the vinyl themselves and ran their own boards, unlike the big union stations like CKLW, WLS and the like.

Just FYI, WLS went to all carts somewhere around 1970 or 1971 (ABC reached an accord with I believe NABET to allow DJs to run their own boards and use carts for music instead of having a record turner cueing the records in studio).

I'm not sure if CKLW ever went to cart or not--I seem to recall seeing a photo from the early 1980s in which multiple turntables were visible in the studio.]]> Wed, 29 Oct 2008 18:01:39 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=999&PID=19557&title=indiana-wants-me#19557 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=999&PID=19556&title=indiana-wants-me#19556 Author: eriejwg
Subject: 999
Posted: 29 October 2008 at 5:55pm

To add to my post, usually the jocks in smaller markets played the vinyl themselves and ran their own boards, unlike the big union stations like CKLW, WLS and the like.

Usually, the station's Music Director was responsible for carting up the music. I even remember working at a couple stations where the Music Director wound carts from scratch.
I remember doing that too. I seem to recall this winding unit had a stopwatch on it so you knew the exact length to wind it for a song.]]> Wed, 29 Oct 2008 17:55:45 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=999&PID=19556&title=indiana-wants-me#19556 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=999&PID=19555&title=indiana-wants-me#19555 Author: eriejwg
Subject: 999
Posted: 29 October 2008 at 5:51pm

Don't worry, a few of us are guilty of threadjacking... look up the definition, you'll see our pictures...

Anyways, the stations I worked at that got record service usually got 3 copies or so of a 45. By 1981, late by many standards, was the first time I worked at a station that had carted music. But, I know some locally that had carted music as early as 1975 and 1976.]]> Wed, 29 Oct 2008 17:51:36 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=999&PID=19555&title=indiana-wants-me#19555 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=999&PID=19554&title=indiana-wants-me#19554 Author: sriv94
Subject: 999
Posted: 29 October 2008 at 5:45pm

Sorry to threadjack, but here's a question (since the only radio station I ever spent considerable time in was all carts back then and I didn't spend much time with the music director).

When record labels issued copies to radio stations who actually played the vinyl (or even used it for carting), did they generally service only one copy and if a record became unplayable for whatever reason it was incumbent on the station to request additional copies? Or did they service multiple copies, just in case?]]> Wed, 29 Oct 2008 17:45:15 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=999&PID=19554&title=indiana-wants-me#19554 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=999&PID=19553&title=indiana-wants-me#19553 Author: Hykker
Subject: 999
Posted: 29 October 2008 at 5:25pm

eriejwg wrote: That's why I always seek out Motown promo copies, when possible. One example I remember, in radio in 1980, the beautiful intro to the Billy Preston & Syreeta track, "With You I'm Born Again." The stock copy sounded like someone had an open mic nearby popping popcorn. Horrendous. Luckily, even though a small station, we were serviced with promo copies. Quiet intros like that on Motown, with engineers tuning Optimod's as they felt sounded best, could really bring surface noise out. Don't know about any of you radio folk back then, but we didn't clean each 45 before cueing and playing.

Probably the worst case I ever ran into was Diana Ross' "Theme From Mahogany". PD told me he went thru 5 copies before he found one clean enough to cart.

Gotta say though, I've never seen a Motown 45 get cueburn.]]> Wed, 29 Oct 2008 17:25:57 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=999&PID=19553&title=indiana-wants-me#19553 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=999&PID=19552&title=indiana-wants-me#19552 Author: eriejwg
Subject: 999
Posted: 29 October 2008 at 5:08pm

That's why I always seek out Motown promo copies, when possible.

One example I remember, in radio in 1980, the beautiful intro to the Billy Preston & Syreeta track, "With You I'm Born Again." The stock copy sounded like someone had an open mic nearby popping popcorn. Horrendous. Luckily, even though a small station, we were serviced with promo copies.

Quiet intros like that on Motown, with engineers tuning Optimod's as they felt sounded best, could really bring surface noise out. Don't know about any of you radio folk back then, but we didn't clean each 45 before cueing and playing.]]> Wed, 29 Oct 2008 17:08:08 +0000 https://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=999&PID=19552&title=indiana-wants-me#19552