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80smusicfreak ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 14 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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Thanks for this great new forum, Pat. I received my copy
of the 10th edition of your book on Monday the 4th. It's the first one I've ever bought, and I must say, I'm amazed at all the details! I'm a big fan of '70s and '80s music in general, so this huge book will definitely come in handy. Now, if only it could ever be expanded to include all songs that made the top 100, and not just the top 40! I know, just a dream... (*sigh*) Although I've had only about 9 days to absorb it so far, here's a list of additions/corrections I'd like to contribute: pg. 339: You seem to make the effort to always point out when song titles differ either slightly or completely on the original 45 vs. the albums, which I do find helpful. (Examples you note include Alice Cooper's 1975 single, "Only Women", which was titled "Only Women Bleed" on the album; and how the Jacksons' 1981 hit, "Heartbreak Hotel", is now known as "This Place Hotel".) Therefore, I feel it should also be noted in future editions that Earth, Wind & Fire's 1979 hit was titled "After the Love HAS Gone" on the single, while for reasons I've never understood, on albums it was worded "After the Love IS Gone" (at least in many cases, but perhaps not all)... pgs. 477 & 1255: Greg Guidry's first name misspelled (I have the album w/ his 1982 hit, "Goin' Down", on cassette)... pg. 978: Timothy B. Schmit's 1987 hit, "Boys Night Out", is listed as never appearing on any U.S. CD to date, and is also flagged as such in the "Song Title Index" (pg. 1242). I'm 99% certain that isn't true, as the song's 1987 parent album did originally come out on CD in the U.S. on MCA. I actually own the U.S. cassette version, and while I don't have the CD, I know I've seen it in my many travels to used record stores in the past. And sure enough, in double-checking my many old "Schwann" catalogs from the late '80s and early '90s, they do indeed list the album as being available on CD at that time (label & no. being MCA MCAD-42049). According to "Schwann", it remained in print until 1990-91. So while "Boys Night Out" probably hasn't been available on CD in well over a decade, it does exist... BTW, there were actually two different pressings of Schmit's album in the U.S.: Original copies of the LP/cassette/CD gave the artist & title as simply "Timothy B"; MCA evidently felt that was too ambiguous and thus had second thoughts, so later pressings had the artist/title changed to his full name, "Timothy B. Schmit". I have both versions on cassette, and there's no doubt in my mind that the same was done w/ the CD, so that is also probably worth noting in the book... pg. 1036: You state that dj copies of Rick Springfield's 1981 hit, "I've Done Everything for You", ran (2:42) and (3:16), but that "commercial copies were all (2:42)". Not true on the latter. The story: When the single was first released in January of '81, both dj & commercial copies contained the (3:16) album version. However, when the song completely flopped and failed to chart in both "Billboard" and "Cash Box", RCA then decided to rush-release "Jessie's Girl" as the second single from Springfield's album, "Working Class Dog" (note that the catalog no. of "12166" on "IDEFY" precedes that of "12201" assigned to "JG"). Well, we all know what happened to "JG" - it shot straight to #1 in both "Billboard" and "Cash Box" in the Summer of '81. As a follow-up, RCA then elected to re-promote "IDEFY" in August of '81 (and w/ the same "12166" catalog no.). Thanks to the success of "JG", "IDEFY" hit the top 10 in both "Billboard" and "Cash Box" the second time around. But during that re-promotion, both dj & commercial copies of the single contained the (2:42) edit. Consequently, commercial (and even dj) copies of the original pressing w/ the (3:16) album version are quite rare, while those w/ the (2:42) edit are literally a dime a dozen. I own dj copies of both versions myself, as well as the commercial version w/ the (2:42) edit. And while I've yet to track down a commercial copy w/ the (3:16) album version, I know a fellow collector who claims to have one. Frankly, I was quite impressed that you knew that dj copies w/ the (3:16) version even existed, as I've never seen it documented before in any other price or collector's guides w/ entries/discographies on Springfield... pg. 1037: You also seem to note whenever a single's actual running time differs from that which is printed on the label of the 45 itself, which I again find quite useful. (While I've always known that happened quite a bit over the years, I didn't realize just how rampant the practice/problem was until I recently received your book!) Well, you can also add Rick Springfield's 1983 hit, "Human Touch", to the list. As your book correctly notes, the "45 version" typically runs (3:52)-(3:54) on CD; that's because the single version actually does clock in at (3:54). But check the label on your 45 (which I have as well) - you'll find it states a ru |
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Oops! Seems the very last part of my post above was cut
off - here's the rest of it... But check the label on your 45 (which I have as well) - you'll find it states a running time of only (3:45)... Okay, getting a little lengthy here. Over & out, lol. |
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Thanks for the very informative post - this is the type of informational exchange I hope we can promote on this chat board. I agree with almost everything you said and I wish to add that yes, Earth , Wind & Fire's single of "After The Love Has Gone" bore that title while the "I Am" vinyl LP bore the title "After The Love Is Gone". Now when the cd of "I Am" was issued, the title reverted back to "After The Love Has Gone".
I will keep checking on the US issue of the Timothy B. Schmit cd titled "Timothy B". Do any other forum members have this US issue? Now with regard to "I've Done Everything For You", I have the dj copy of the 3:16 version and the commercial copy of the 2:42 version. I also have an extra unplayed copy of the dj 3:16 version which I would be happy to trade anyone for either the 3:16 commercial copy or the 2:42 dj copy. Again, thanks for this very informational post! |
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Todd Ireland ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 16 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 18 |
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Hey, all!
First off, Pat, I want to say that I really like your website idea so far and think it will be a terrific resource once things really get rolling. I look forward to being a frequent contributor on this board. Second, I do happen to own a copy of Timothy B. Schmit's Timothy B. CD, which was released here in the U.S. by MCA in 1987 under catalog #MCAD-42049. It does indeed contain "Boys Night Out" and I carefully clocked the track's run time at 4:34. There's also another CD release containing "Boys Night Out" that's not accounted for in Top 40 Music on Compact Disc. You can find the track on the various artist compilation Rock On 1987: Everybody Have Fun Tonight, released by Madacy (catalog #5187) in 1998. I don't own this CD, but allmusic.com lists the run time at 4:36. Joel Whitburn lists the 45 version run time at 3:58 in his Pop Annual 1955-1999 publication, so it appears the two CD appearances of "Boys Night Out" so far are both the LP version. I should note that the Rock On 1987: Everybody Have Fun Tonight CD is not to be confused with the similarly titled Rock On 1987 compilation that Madacy issued in 1996 (catalog #9787), which features a completely different track lineup. |
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I will take your word for the Timothy Schmit cd and go ahead and enter that information in the next edition of Top 40 Music On CD.
With regard to Madacy cd's, I have been undecided for years whether to include them in my book because most of their cd's give a Canada address, indicating therefore that they are imported. I did include the series simply titled "Rock On" in the book because the address on the back was listed as being in Springfield, NJ. They have also been unwilling to send me any review copies of their product so I finally decided to call Madacy cd's an import. |
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80smusicfreak ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 14 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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Thanks for the very positive response, Pat. Sounds like
typing up my initial post was well worth the effort! Some follow-up comments to the replies above: EARTH, WIND & FIRE: Ever since I started buying music more than 20 years ago, I've always enjoyed V/A compilations of hits from the '70s and '80s (K-tel or Ronco, anyone???); at this time, I must have a couple thousand! Most of the collections are on cassette, though, not to mention long OOP - very few have since been re-issued on CD. At any rate, nearly a dozen of the ones I own include the 1979 EWF hit in question. I can tell you that CBS/Sony as well as the other labels that have licensed the track from them have often flip-flopped on the wording of "After the Love Has Gone"; it's not just the original pressings of the group's "I Am" album (which I do have the cassette version of) that show it as "...Is Gone". Therefore, I'm sure a complete check of the CD compilations listed on pgs. 339-340 of your book will reveal a mix of the wording for the song as well. Just some additional trivia... RICK SPRINGFIELD: I do, in fact, own TWO copies of the yellow label dj version of the "I've Done Everything for You" 45 w/ the (2:42) edit on RCA JH-12166 (A-side is stereo; B-side is mono). Both are nearly pristine and appear to be unplayed; one is in a picture sleeve (identical to those included w/ the commercial version), while the other is in just a plain white sleeve. I'm willing to part w/ the one in the generic sleeve. And while I admit that swapping it for a dj copy w/ the (3:16) album version is tempting, I also happen to have two copies of that one myself (although one of them grades only about VG, but the other is Mint and appears unplayed, like yours). However, I, too, would love to get my hands on a COMMERCIAL copy w/ the (3:16) album version, as that is the only one I'm missing - if you should locate more than one, I'll trade you for one of those in a heartbeat! (My $64 question: Did the original pre-"Jessie's Girl" pressings of the "IDEFY" 45 w/ the [3:16] album version come in a picture sleeve, or just the post-"JG" ones w/ the [2:42] edit???) There are some other (earlier) Springfield 45s - although they weren't chart hits - that I'd also be more than willing to swap my extra (2:42) dj copy for, so we might be able to work out something that way as well... TIMOTHY B. SCHMIT: Thanks, Todd, for the confirmation - I knew I wasn't crazy, lol. Sounds like your CD is a first pressing w/ just the "Timothy B" artist/title credit, eh??? MADACY CDs: As a fan of V/A compilations, I've often looked at them in stores, and have also noticed the Canada address, so I know what you mean, Pat. I've always been a bit confused as to their origin as well, yet they seem to be almost everywhere here in the U.S. In fact, their questionable/unknown origin is one of the things that has made me a bit leery of them, so to this day, I've never bought one. That's not to say I wouldn't be |
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Hmmm, got cut off again! Here's the rest...
That's not to say I wouldn't be tempted if I just knew more about them, though.. |
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I have an interesting follow-up to post regarding the
various 45 pressings of Rick Springfield's 1981 hit, "I've Done Everything for You"... This past weekend, I was on a trip to the Miami area, and of course had to check out some used record stores while down there. :-) Lo & behold, after roughly two years of searching, I finally stumbled across a black-label U.S. commercial copy of "IDEFY" on RCA PB-12166, labeled as featuring the (3:16) album version. While it was clearly a filler copy (both the picture sleeve and the 45 itself have seen better days), after finding dozens & dozens of copies w/ the (2:42) edit, I wasn't going to pass it up for just $1.00... So after arriving back home, I stuck the 45 on the ol' turntable, just to make sure it was the real deal. (To be honest, I've never been a huge collector of vinyl, and if there's one thing Pat's book & this chat board has taught me, it's NOT to trust the timings printed on the center labels!) Well, much to my shock, despite being clearly labeled "3:16", I could tell from listening to the song that it was actually the single edit! :-( Just to be sure my mind wasn't playing tricks on me, I played it again, using a stopwatch - sure enough, it's really the (2:42) edit! Upon discovering the erroneous timing printed on my commercial copy, I then went ahead and pulled out all three of my yellow-label dj copies of "IDEFY" that are also labeled "3:16". (Yep, I've added one more of those to my collection since my post of 20 October 2004 above.) I played both the stereo & mono sides of all three, and all three of my dj copies do indeed contain the full (3:16) album version, as labeled (I assume both of your copies do, too, Pat)... So commercial 45s of "IDEFY" LABELED "3:16" do indeed exist (and I feel it's still safe to say they are the much rarer pre-"Jessie's Girl" pressings), but whether or not any commercial copies actually PLAY that version remains to be seen. My search goes on (*sigh*)... |
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Todd Ireland ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 16 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 18 |
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80smusicfreak:
I came across a similar situation recently with REO Speedwagon's "Keep on Loving You" and discussed it in depth elsewhere on this message board. To refresh everyone's memory, I found a blue label vinyl 45 copy with a printed run time of 4:39 even though Pat reports in the 10th edition that commercial copies state a time of 4:54 on the label. After sending Pat my copy, he determined the 45s both actually run 4:46... the only difference is that two different labels were made for this 45, one stating (4:39) and one stating (4:54). Otherwise they were exactly the same, right down to the matrix number printed on the runout groove. Could we have the same case here with the Rick Springfield "I'd Do Anything for You" 45s? |
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That REO Speedwagon 45 that you found was actually for "Can't Fight This Feeling", was it not, Todd??? Either way, I don't think it is the same case w/ Rick Springfield's "I've Done Everything for You", and here's why: As I detailed in my original post above, "IDEFY" was released (promoted) twice by RCA - first in January of '81 (when it flopped, pre-"Jessie's Girl"), and again in August of '81 (when it hit the top 10, post-"Jessie's Girl"). That's why two different (confirmed) yellow-label dj pressings exist for that single, the originals featuring the (3:16) album version, and the second pressings having the (2:42) edit. But because "IDEFY" stiffed the first time out, black-label commercial copies that actually PLAY the (3:16) album version are very scarce. And although the one I just found in FL plays the (2:42) edit, the fact that the label reads "3:16" leads me to believe that commercial copies pressed w/ the full-length album version must exist. I suspect what happened was that when RCA went back to re-promote "IDEFY" in the Summer of '81, they still had some of the original "3:16" labels on hand, and simply slapped them on the first runs of the new (2:42) pressings (the B-side remained unchanged), and that is one of the ones I just found (much to my disappointment upon playing it)... To the best of my knowledge, Epic never had to promote REO Speedwagon's "Can't Fight This Feeling" more than once in order to turn it into a top 10 hit, so the fact that two different 45 labels exist for that one (and neither being correct!) tells me that most likely the left hand didn't know what the right hand was doing at the label... |
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