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Originally posted by Gary Gary wrote:

There was also a MTV Clean Edit that really removed the f bomb and removed the part of going down on you in the theater. We played that version at our CHR station.

Was this serviced on an official promo? I heard an edit today on my local Jack FM that might have been that edit. It might also have been a custom edit I heard. In the first verse, the words "down on you" are replaced with just music. In the second verse, "f*** her" are both replaced with just music, whereas in the edit our station played it was just a sloppy edit on the "f" word only.
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By the way, there is also a "Clean Album Version" on one of the import CD singles. (I can't remember if this is also on the promo CD.)
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Originally posted by RichM921 RichM921 wrote:

By the way, how many edits were there for "Hand In My Pocket"?

Our station was only serviced with one promo, containing the "Clean Album Version." It was a sloppy edit on the word "sh**." I've never heard the version that cuts the entire line.
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Originally posted by aaronk aaronk wrote:

Originally posted by RichM921 RichM921 wrote:

By the way, how many edits were there for "Hand In My Pocket"?

Our station was only serviced with one promo, containing the "Clean Album Version." It was a sloppy edit on the word "sh**." I've never heard the version that cuts the entire line.


Oops, yes it was the S word not the F word on "Hand In My Pocket." Got my obscenities mixed up there for a moment. Alanis was really quite PO'd in the '90s!

Back to "You Oughta Know", I remember that the version I used to hear on WAPE in Jacksonville (near where I lived at the time) elimiated the whole "down on you" line. So it sounded like this:

An older version of me/Is she perverted like me/Does she speak eloquently/And would she have your baby

I know it seems clunky, but it worked.

As for the other part of the song, the entire F word was removed.

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Here's all my various promo CD singles, for both tunes brought up. 4 different promos for "You Oughta Know" (with some redundant cuts), and to answer your question, Aaron, yes, the MTV Clean Edit was on one of them. Also, two different promo CD single catalog #'s for "Hand In My Pocket", but with the exact same two tracks and actual times on both. (The WB family of labels did this "two different promo CD single catalog #'s, but the same music on both" surprisingly often during this era, for some reason.) Here goes:

Alanis Morissette-"You Oughta Know" (PRO-CD-7565)
1-The Jimmy The Saint Blend Clean Version (listed 4:12; actual 4:10)
2-Clean Album Version (listed 4:08; actual 4:07) **

Alanis Morissette-"You Oughta Know" (PRO-CD-7563)
1-The Jimmy The Saint Blend Clean Version (listed 4:12; actual 4:10)
2-The Jimmy The Saint Blend (listed 4:12; actual 4:11)
3-All I Really Want (Album Version)
4-Perfect (Acoustic Version)

Alanis Morissette-"You Oughta Know" (PRO-CD-7856-R)
1-(MTV Clean Edit) (listed 4:12; actual 4:10)

Alanis Morissette-"You Oughta Know" (PRO-CD-7732-R)
1-The Jimmy The Saint Blend Clean Version (listed 4:11; actual 4:10)
2-Clean Album Version (listed 4:08; actual 4:07) **

** The version we played at my station in 1995


Alanis Morissette-"Hands In My Pocket" (PRO-CD-7860)
1-Clean Album Version (listed 3:37; actual 3:38) **
2-Album Version (listed 3:38; actual 3:37)

Alanis Morissette-"Hands In My Pocket" (PRO-CD-7891-R)
1-Clean Album Version (listed 3:39; actual 3:38) **
2-Album Version (listed 3:39; actual 3:37)

Pardon a bit of redundancy with versions and times, but in case anyone ends up hunting for one of these and finds a particular #, you will now know exactly what is contained on it.   

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The "Live From The Grammys" version was also issued on a one-track promo CD single (PRO-CD Mav 0011). Curiously, it does not edit out the F-word, which was also heard on the live East Coast broadcast of the show. It was edited out of the West Coast feed three hours later.

In the mid-1990s, Billboard's Hot 100 B-side policy was a mess. There apparently was no clear policy on how much airplay a B-side needed to register in order to chart. (It was only after a reader pointed out that Jewel's "Foolish Games", which had been receiving airplay for months, was the B-side of "You Were Made For Me" that Billboard started listing it as a two-sided hit.) Because Billboard did not differentiate between different versions of the same song by the same artist when measuring airplay, it was the airplay the studio version was still receiving as a recurrent that contributed to the single's chart run, eventhough it was not until the live version appeared as "You Learn"'s B-side that the song became eligible to chart.

Shortly thereafter, Billboard finally established a clear B-side policy, requiring a B-side to debut in the Top 75 in airplay before it could chart. Since late 1998 the Hot 100 has been a song chart rather than a singles chart, rendering two-sided listings a thing of the past.
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I just obtained a full-length promo copy of the Jagged Little Pill album, and it contains clean versions of "You Oughta Know" and "Hand In My Pocket." Just like the retail album, the remix of "You Oughta Know" is not listed on the case, but it is on track 13 with the acappella song. Both mixes of "You Oughta Know" cut out the "f" word, and these are the exact edits used on the promo CD singles.

Interestingly, "Hand In My Pocket" on this full-length CD is a slightly different clean version than what is on the promo CD. On this disc, the edit goes:

I'm brave, but I'm chicken sh   [inhale breath]

On the promo CD, it's more like this:

I'm brave, but I'm chicken shhhh   [no inhale breath]

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Originally posted by Gary Gary wrote:

There was also a MTV Clean Edit that really removed the f bomb and removed the part of going down on you in the theater. We played that version at our CHR station.


You take the F bomb and the down part out and you just have another teenage love song without all the angst. Reminds me why I hated the rules that were in place for the Hot 100 during the 1990's. This was one of the hugest airplay hits. Looking at the Hot 100, you would have never known it existed at the time because it did not chart. In some ways Whitburn's inclusion of the airplay rankings within the Hot 100 annual is the only saving grace that allows all these awesome airplay hits to be included the way they should have been.

The edit on the cd single still leaves the down part, which I am sure based on its connotation had to be edited at radio....so does that mean the MTV Clean Edit is the true radio version of this song and not the album edit or jimmy the saint clean version?

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I was working at a small-market top 40 station in northern Michigan when the song was a hit, and we aired the "Jimmy The Saint Blend Clean Version" as it was issued. You can clearly hear "are you thinking of me when you fu.. her" as well as the entire line "does she go down on you..." We never received a single complaint.
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Originally posted by aaronk aaronk wrote:

I was working at a small-market top 40
station in northern Michigan when the song was a hit, and
we aired the "Jimmy The Saint Blend Clean Version" as it
was issued. You can clearly hear "are you thinking of me
when you fu.. her" as well as the entire line "does she
go down on you..." We never received a single complaint.


I was also at a relatively small market CHR at the time.
I don't remember which version of YOK we played...unlike
Jim's (RIP) station we didn't receive a plethora of
promos, just one with the F-bomb (sort of) removed. We
smoothed out the edit a bit, but left the theatre line
intact. No complaints that I was aware of.

Later, when the live Grammys version was released (and
the original was in recurrent rotation) we substituted it
for the studio version for a couple months. I edited it
to emulate the version Kiss 108 in Boston was
playing...the "down on you" line was pretty easy, the F-
bomb a bit trickier. I don't recall us getting serviced
with a clean version.


Originally posted by PopArchivist PopArchivist wrote:

You take the F bomb and the down part
out and you just have another teenage love song without
all the angst. Reminds me why I hated the rules that were
in place for the Hot 100 during the 1990's. This was one
of the hugest airplay hits. Looking at the Hot 100, you
would have never known it existed at the time because it
did not chart.


I agree that Billboard was a bit late to the party with
including songs that were never commercially released as
singles, but were legitimate hits in the Hot 100, but
keep in mind that prior to the mid-ish 90s these were few
and far between. That of course changed as the labels
actively promoted songs to radio that were not
commercially released as singles.

As far as explicit language goes, I'm not sure I
agree...there's plenty of angst in YOK without lines that
could get stations in trouble with the FCC. Plenty of
ways to get your point across without actual obscenities.
Sadly, we live in a time when coarse language is
everywhere.
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